diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020615.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020615.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..e9d984e79b --- /dev/null +++ b/www/irc/rockbox-20020615.log @@ -0,0 +1,3625 @@ +**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:27:04 2002 + +--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.146) has joined #rockbox +--- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ +--- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 + hey adiamas + hey ya... + now that i have my UPS set up... + im finally going to get around to get a cross compiler going :) + go go go ;-) +--- You are now known as adi|home + following Linus' instruction, it is really simple + *nmods* + only prob is im running gcc 2.95 right now :) + that shouldn't matter + if you have the source for that one already, you can probably make a cross compiler out of that version + that reminds me... + the simulator was coring on me yesterday + when i shuffled the playlist + i tracked it.. but it made no sense + oh + can you repeat it now? + dunno.. was going to test in a few + ok + it cored yesterday when we messed around with an empty dir + how do i force fstab to be reread? + on linux? + do you know? + reread? + mount -a? + no, that only mounts all + my prob is this.. + i have my archos mount with the same permissions that my floppy does + at least thats what the fstab tells me + i can mount the floppy as a user, but not the archos + you have the nouser flag? + nope + /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,owner 0 0 + ok, so you changed that but the user still can do it? + no... + as a user i can mount my floppy, but as a user i cannot mount my archos + and my floppy entry is the same + /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0 + I just use umask=0 and am happy with that ;-) + heheh + /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,umask=0 0 0 + ill try it :) + that still requires root to mount + but any user can write to it + see.. don't want that :) + i want user to be able to mount it :) + beats me really + hehe no worries + yup.. still happens .. the coring.. + can you check on your version and ensure im not nuts? + sure + you're full of the nuts? :) + okay... load the uizim + the sim + then load a playlist + then go to shuffle the list and shuffle + and it should core after it finishes + ok... fixing my darned X-redirect... +* adi|home screams + my rockbox on the archos reboots.. even with the dc plugged in + wtf + ugh + ugh what? + the logo looks sharp though :) + ugh as in "oh that is not nice" + hehe + hehe and my icons look sweet :) + they do + hehehe screen saver on the rockbox... + sooooooo cool :) + :-) + god i love this + are there icons now? +* adi|home nods + it doesn't crash for me + there always were.. we just wernet using them + hmmm wtf... + i did a make clean + and a cvs update + adi|home: Show me a screenshot! :D + of the icons? + sure.. give me a min + adi|home: can you show me a stack trace? + yay! :D + sure.. give me a min + doing an update and recompile just in case + dwihno.. you have dcc on? + Yuppers +--- Offering sshot.jpg to dwihno + okay.. bagder.. how do i get you a stack trace? + strace? + right? + run 'gdb rockboxui core' + then 'where' + (or 'bt' if you prefer a shortcut ;-) + no stack + adi|home: How cute! :D + heh wait.. im stupid + the cursor should be replaced + dwihno: yes indeed + okay.. then what bagder? + i know where is choking on mine.. i just don't know why. + I'll draw one rightaway ;D + mail it to me, daniel@haxx.se + please do + How big is the font btw? + want me to just dcc it to you? + adi|home: I'm tunneled, bounced, crawled and sneaked so much dcc is impossible ;-) + hehhe okay + 5x7? + yes + sent + something else i was thinking... + we can 'shuffle' and empty list + got it + we should be checking that + namely.. if you havne't loaded a list, tell the user that + yes + I told Zagor so too + ..... + ##... + ###.. + ####. + ###.. + ##... + ..... + There, a new cursor ;) + adi|home: there's no stack trace there! + dwihno: now convert it to bytes, LSB in the top, each column one byte + and use the 5 bytes width + 5 pixels + LSB? + least significant bit + bit 0 + Line 1: 0, line 2: 3 ? + no + column-wise + mkay + column 0; 0x7e + adi|home: this dump just shows lots of loaded symbols and the actual crash point, no stack trace + try running it with gdb from the start: + 'gdb rockboxui' + 'run' + [booom] + 'bt' + k + what is bt? + back trace + k.. all it returns is: + #0 0x0804e10f in menu_run (m=Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dcc + ) at ../../apps/menu.c:169 + Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dc4 + and i could have told you that + hm + i found out that much last night.. exactly where it is dieing.. but now why + its the menu_redraw + in main_menu.c + when you return from the function ptr + Bagder: 0x3e, 0x3e, 0x1c, 8, 0 + dwihno: you should use the full 5x7 + we have 6x8 + we have? + yes + mkay + me stupid + me back in a flash soon ;) + no ;-) + me need coffee + menu_redraw? + yup.. one sec ill get you a line +* Bagder runs to fill up more coffee + sorry.. menu_draw + menu.c:164 + lcd_clear_display(); + + menus[m].items[menus[m].cursor].function(); + + /* Return to previous display state */ + menu_draw(m); + break; + the function call goes fine + "m" is valid before the call +--> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + all looks fine in he call + we return and _barf_ + hi all + hey zagor + found a nice core that Bagder cant seem to repeat + ooh, shiny! :) +* adi|home nods + 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18 + 0x7e, 0x42, 0x42, 0x24, 0x24, 0x18 (for a "transparent" version) ;) + zagor.. + what's the opposite of LSB term-wise? + know how the archos works better when you have dc plugged in? + dwihno: msb + mkay +* dwihno suck when it comes to buzzwording :) + nah. your just 'Livt' + Add my cursor code :) + don't mix those with big-endian and little-endian like some people do :) + dwihno: in progress + at least your not a 'Liar' + Hadaka: what's the diff between big and little-endian? /me has always been on the intel platform... + well intel is the stupid one :) + the size of the feather + adi|home: haw haw haw + Hadaka: so what is the difference? + smiles broadley + word order? + Tell me + byte order in words + little endian is + A B C D + big endian is B A D C + if I'm not tripping, it's too early in the morning + (that's bytes) + you are tripping :) + C D A B ? + heheh + but he's right isn't he? +* adi|home remebers it that way + no, big-endian is straight big-to-small. little-endian is twisted +* adi|home taps Hadaka on the shoulder and askes if he is a he, just in case + err, big-endian is small-to-big + yup, sorry guys, I'm male + so big should be: D C B A + or + if you are guys }:> + and little is: C D A B + ? + adi|home: nope + I hope that is + the lowest byte of a big-endian word is the highest value + 0xCAFEF00D is 0xCA 0xFE 0xF0 0x0D + Bagder: Is the cursor cute? + not quite there yet + oh.. + little: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA? + hmh, lowest? do you mean 0xCA with that or 0x0D? + i meant lowest address + 0xCA + hm, yeah + oh yeah +* adi|home is confused again + Little endian is gay, in that case +* adi|home needs to go back and read + given CAFEFOOD + what is little? + big-endian assumption being that the highest address should be highest value - which is wrong + s/big/my big/; + Hadaka: ah + jesus one should never run into these things + Hmm + For someone who knows nothing on this endian stuff, who should I listen to so I won't learn the wrong stuff? :) + haha + hehe + lotsa pot smokers in belguim must be happy :) + hehe Zagor + he's been right so far in everything else :) + heh + :) + Zagor: Give me a skolboksexample, s'il vous plait :) + http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/big_endian.html + little endian cafefood is just the opposite: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA + haha + UNIX -> NUXI - 'U' 'N' 'I' 'X' is big endian, 'N' 'U' 'X' 'I' is little endian :) + So when will one be affected by endianness? And don't tell me some apache joke now adi ;) + dwihno: reading binary data as 'shorts' or 'longs' etc + Hadaka: yes but only when talking about two 16-bit words. if it was 32-bit, it'd be XINU + dwihno: like when reading a BMP file from disk ;-) + Hehe... + I bet 'my' BMP reader will freak out with little endian + big endian on the archos? + oops + well, you know what I mean ;) + yes, except some hardware (like the ata controller) is little endian + eww + endian soup + and the mp3 chip is little-endian bit-wise, so we have to flip every single friggin byte before we send it... + They should have chosen a big-endian mp3 decoding chip + yeah, well there's a list of "they should've"s :) + starting with 'they should've made the price cheaper' + They should have made the screen 400x200 pixels :) + What is the most power consuming part (apart from the hard disk stuff) ? + i don't know. cpu, i guess + okay.. just to double check... + ABCD in big indian + is + CDAB in little? + if the data is two 16-bit words, yes + if it's one 32-bit word, it will be DCBA + k... + and if you have 2 32 bit words of ABCD ABCD? + or ABCD EFGH + DCBA HGFE + russian belguim game has gotten really good :) +* dwihno is amazed by the stupidity of some people + Encoding stuff @ 192kbps even when the quality is really bad + hehe, I found something... + #define MAX_MENUS 4 + in apps/menu.c + hehehe okay? + thats why we core? + yeah + you made a new menu? + damn.. how did you find that? + hey.. they added shuffle playlist + as a new menu? not just an entry? + no.. its an entry.. + so that shouldn't effect it + this is an entry count + MAX_MENUS is the max menu depth, not max entries +* adi|home nods + then it is used wrongly + ok + check main_menu.c + and the menu_init() call + checking + no + sorry + my bad + no problem there + ok + zagor.. + yup? + can you explain why 32 bit words become DCBA HGFE + seems more sensible that it would be EFGH ABCD + or GHEF CDAB + your data is 64 bits +* adi|home nods + aaaaaaaaarggghhh! + you make me go nuts! :) + so it's split up in two 32-bit words + right + the words don't change places or anything + the byte swapping is only done within the word + okay... + why doen'st the same idea follo for 16bit works? + words? + you said: ABCD becomes CDAB + if the swap is within words.. wouldnt: BADC make more sense? + "word" is a crappy term to use + i didn't say that, did I? it's wrong + 32-bit ABCD becomes DCBA + 16-bit ABCD becomes BADC + Bagder: the daily build is already built? + yes + 6 am MET + darn + Then I'll wait until tomorrow ;) + We need a "select cursor" menu ;D + I'll just fix the cursor for the tree browser too and soon we'll see + can i assum then that on 64 bit words we would be: ABCDEFGH => HGFE DCBA? +* Bagder tries to figure out the best way to deal with the margins in the tree browser + adi|home: yes +* adi|home is finally getting this + thank you for the help... + Bagder: what is your problem with margins? + no problem + btw, adi, whatever happened to your logging effort? +* adi|home whistles innocently +* Bagder chuckles + my isp decided to get alot more unstable + we need a bot in here to just sit and suck everything up + i'd still say you're the guy with the most complete logs. you're always here +* adi|home blushes + i can put up what i haver right now + yeah, that is an option + please do + Hey, what happened to privacy?! + ECHELON SEES YOU! :D + that doesn't exist on the net ;) + /whois privacy + oops ;-) + ECHELON BUSH TALIBAN USAMA BIN LADEN {{{{{ hugs to you }}}}} + my current rockbox log is 1.1 megs + There, my footprint in the internet world ;D + adi|home: will you split it up into days? + all i ahve to say is that PRESIDENT BUSH is the BOMB and bin laden needs to DIE + for you zag? + sure + but only cause its you + hehe +* adi|home winks suggestivly + nudge nudge + nudge nudge... wink wink.. kno what i mean.. know what i mean... + have you ever.. have ya hu? have you... + ya know... + there we go again ;-) + find / -name bin | awk '{print $1 " laden"}' +* adi|home yells out 'Help! Help! I'm being repressed! + Zagor.. should i remove room enters and leaving? +* Bagder thinks so + yes + and everything dwihno-related. I want my privacy ;D + dwihno: your privacy can be found here => #dwinos_secrets + set it invite-only ;-) + :D + Mr. Funny pants + http://www.klitta.nu/dw/keops_bigapple.png + Speaking of funny pants + someone could make some work on a vertical slider + if we should have one + hmm + It could share space with the cursor + I like the display like it is now - as many filenames as possible! :) +* Bagder commits new cursor + YAY! :D + Which did you chose? + 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18 + but it looks a bit ugly ;-) + too thick + ugly cursor for ugly people + shift it left one step and make the new first column smaller than + then + I thought about that too + perhaps even two steps + do so + 0x7f, 0x3e, 0x1c, 0x08, 0x00, 0x00 wins + Zagor: does the scroll code care about the lcd margins on the recorder? + yes + Bagder: yay! + does the scroll look fishy on the players? + no that I know + not + the new cursor only uses 4 pixels width + zagor.. your gonna love me in a min :) + I'll start working on a variable width font this weekend +* Zagor feels his heart warming + dwihno: cool + dwihno: it would be really cool + How are you storing the fonts right now? + Bagder: have you kept my code that handles proportional fonts? + like the cursor? + Zagor: I think I have it somewhere, yes + I was thinking about an extra byte for w&h + dwihno: I adjusted it + I added a bug when scrolling in the tree browser though :-/ + So what are the measurements we should keep? + Bagder: It's called a surprise feature, not bug :) + as small as possible :) + SURPRISE! :D + How about umlauts and special chars? + yes please + a full iso 8859-1 is ideal + heck, this bugs more than just in the scroll + I'll work against the charmap in the recorder... + more coffee needed +* dwihno is not looking forward to the 1 o'clock meeting + meetings are time thieves + dwihno: either that, or look here: http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859-1.gif + okay.. irc files updated + but you ge to fix the html ;) + im going to bed + ok, bye + night adi + now you can try the new cursor + hm + brb +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ + brand new + I'll test it rightaway + ummm.. don't mean to be an ass ;) + but the cursor you just put in.. + is exactly like the Selector that was there and not being used :) + haha + adi|home: you're an ass :) +* Bagder is blind + don't blame me... + _you_ didnt read the code ;)( + Heh + So what? :) + I'm no coder + I just come with ideas + hehehe + im just bustig your balls.. + but... but... eh, but my cursor is one more pixel to the left! ;-) + :D + besides.. yours looks sharper for some reason + hehehe + keep yours + delete Selector + YOUR cursor?! :/ +* dwihno is offended + your.. meaning you ddi the new one didn you ? + haha +* adi|home runs to bed + erhm + dwihno: compare the values, they aren't really the ones you gave me ;-) + they are not! + oh my god! + You evil dude + the lcd still flickers + I pulled up xmag and zoomed in + and this setup was the nicest I could do + no it don't.. you just blink funny + and the [browse] line should be removed since another line of files would fit ;D + actually I think that's a good idea. we want to use the screen fully + What is the dimensions of the screen? + well.. remember + your going to want battery indicators + and we havne't thought about time or anything + adi|home: agreed, but personally I prefer such information on a separate info screen + Me too + or during playback or something. not in the browser + browser is a browser + during playback, there is a lot of space for displaying such information + nod + brb +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + my ssh X-redirect is *so* weird + it works the second login I do + not the first + <-- is pissed off + <-- wants to order his F!("#)¤/)! laptop! + Will there be L/R volume bars in the future? + you mean during playback? + yeah + no thanks... + I mean, it's not that pretty + and it looks rather silly when only updated a couple of times per secnod + yes + i don't like it either + A wider battery might be nice too + i say we skip the silly icon and use hard numbers instead + %? + yeah + Yeah, and a "time left" feature :D + (or, at least, some kind of estimation) + that's, ummm, difficult + even just % is very difficult + it is? + Does not the hardware supply the values? + Or do you have to pull off a sw trick to read it? + the hardware supplies battery voltage, that's all + hm + voltage, as in 1.2 volts? + yes + oh + Mail the archos guys and ask them :) + heh, yeah right :) + "Hello mr. archos guy. How do you perform the battery check? We think battery status would be neat in Rockbox" + would be cool to get an external meter on that thing and keep showing the voltage all the way until the unit dies + Get going! :D +--- dwihno is now known as dw|lunch +--- dw|lunch is now known as dwihno +--> [TOT]Maverick (~webmaster@pD953A193.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +<[TOT]Maverick> hi +<[TOT]Maverick> Just tried out the new daily build for the recorder +<[TOT]Maverick> Dunno if you already know but the Euro-Symbol doesnt work it just displays a ?. + yeah, we lack a number of symbols in the font +<[TOT]Maverick> Hehe +<[TOT]Maverick> I used it for DJ DEEP the both EEs were Euros + Oh how neat +<[TOT]Maverick> :) +<[TOT]Maverick> Tetris is nice + hehe, yeah. a little diversion while you... eh... don't listen to music (yet) :) +<[TOT]Maverick> But I hate these buttons they arent like the ones of a gameboy or something +<[TOT]Maverick> who needs music on a mp3 player :) +<[TOT]Maverick> First i also thought about reporting the scrolling bug but you fixed it first :) + hehe +<[TOT]Maverick> Hehe developers are faster in fixing bugs than user in reporting em +<[TOT]Maverick> BTW Music in tetris would be nice + the music will keep playing during tetris. just fire up a big playlist and you'll be set + did you try loading a playlist, btw? i think you will be pleasantly surprised... +<[TOT]Maverick> No i never use playlist *beatme* + i know, the archos playlists aren't very useful. we're changing all that +<[TOT]Maverick> hehe +<[TOT]Maverick> You dont understand +<[TOT]Maverick> I NEVER use em :) +<[TOT]Maverick> Not in winamp, not on the box.. + how are you using it? playing a record at a time, or having all songs in one dir? +<[TOT]Maverick> my songs are too long fo puttin them into a list + too long? +<[TOT]Maverick> i usually listen to mixes about 300mins long a track + ah, ok +<[TOT]Maverick> so there is no need for mee + so what you really want is mid-track resume +<[TOT]Maverick> but of course for normal songs its quite useful +<[TOT]Maverick> yeah THAT would be usefeul for ME :) + it's coming in a later version +<[TOT]Maverick> Shouldnt be too hard to realize, nor? + not really. the scary part is writing on the harddisk... :-) +<[TOT]Maverick> hmmm +<[TOT]Maverick> Perhaps you could use a hidden directory for saving data +<[TOT]Maverick> OR use the MBR!!! + exactly + right.. +<[TOT]Maverick> That would be an option + we'll use a sector before the FAT +<[TOT]Maverick> yeah so its hidden in windows + yup +<[TOT]Maverick> nice + and so we don't have to look for it in a directory, we always know where to save +<[TOT]Maverick> erm the UI gets more graphically as development moves on? + yes +<[TOT]Maverick> nice +<[TOT]Maverick> is a graphical indocator like the one in winamp possible when playing a song? +<[TOT]Maverick> The current one of the archos is just for left-right... + it's not easy, since we don't unpack the data ourselves +<[TOT]Maverick> ah +<[TOT]Maverick> that does the dsp + yes +<[TOT]Maverick> ok so no chance there + I wouldn't say no chance, but it's not straight-forward +<[TOT]Maverick> I noticed something when text is scrolling at a faster speed... +<[TOT]Maverick> Its like the effect on a TFT screen +<[TOT]Maverick> when something moves fast + yeah, trail +<[TOT]Maverick> But never seen that on a LCD before. +<[TOT]Maverick> is that normal? + yes. lcd screens are inherently slow +<[TOT]Maverick> gameboy didnt have that "feature" :) + maybe their screen was faster +<[TOT]Maverick> But its nice to set your own speed +<[TOT]Maverick> great work there + thanks +<[TOT]Maverick> Will you implement functions like renaming, moving an so on? + why dont you look on the webpage + it lists the wishlist of features + yes, probably. but it's a bit in the future +<[TOT]Maverick> @data: I look at the page every day just to mention. + every day? man, thats bad +* Bagder made the build go yellow... fixing... + booo! :) +<[TOT]Maverick> I like the site +<[TOT]Maverick> Every day something new :) + or you have "issues" + ironi made the design, I make everything else :) + yeah I try to keep it interesting +<[TOT]Maverick> It IS +<[TOT]Maverick> But there is one thing i miss since ver 1.0 + what is that? +<[TOT]Maverick> The Status of the single parts + we need a new table + with new parts + i remember when i first saw the rockbox logo.. heh, i though it was a guy humping the "R" + well we don't really have that kind of progress anymore. most new features affect many parts +<[TOT]Maverick> hmmm + we could still list things we want, what we work on and what isn't worked on + Bagder: true +<[TOT]Maverick> yeah thats what i mean +<[TOT]Maverick> the user doesnt interest what is REALLY done wherever +<[TOT]Maverick> BTW² will it be possible in the future to make mods or plugins? + no, we'll always make whole apps +<[TOT]Maverick> ok + we do plan a boot selector, though + but we'll do different apps +<[TOT]Maverick> So you have to make a nice (and nice looking hehe) app :) + well, with the proper help and feedback, we'll end up there +<[TOT]Maverick> I am always there if you are in need of ideas +* Bagder enables picky warnings in the simulator builds now +<[TOT]Maverick> But as you already know i cant "really" help you because of my non existing c knowledge + we're talking YELLOW ;-) +<[TOT]Maverick> huh? + ideas are help too + on the build status page +<[TOT]Maverick> ah hehe +--- dwihno is now known as dwihno|metting +--- dwihno|metting is now known as dwihno|meeting + phew, only 2 warnings turned up ;-) + daily build page extra feature soon coming +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox + hey elinenbe + hey + Zagor: boo! + Zagor: here? + ok, then I'll go for a cup a coffee ;-) + back + check the compile stat table + suggestion on the link? + a - instead of space + and link to a subdir that I can symlink to your dir + hm + ok + I prefer to use %20 and keep the same + space + it is the same time stamp + ok + name of your symlink? + cvslog ? + cvsmod maybe? + there + it should link to my output dir + where are your files? + /home/dast/rockbox-auto/output + ok + works + neato + the dump shows the last 25 minutes + it makes 5 minute overlap + hmm, is that what we want? + well, entirely without overlap tends to be with gap instead + this is just time-based + yes, but can't you look at the time and minimise the gap? it will get confusing when one change is in two status logs + I can minimize it, sure + but since I select based on time, I either risk overlap or gap, making it *perfect* is not really realistic + 20 minutes and 30 seconds now + oh + .txt I guess +--- dwihno|meeting is now known as dwhino +--- dwhino is now known as dwihno + yeah that's probably a good idea :) + btw, I believe the x11 simulator runs threads wrong + yeah? + yeah, they run simultaneously + ooh, bad + my mutex trick isn't used + I wanted to add the tick_counter in yield, and then I noticed that yield is never used! + hehe + hellö hellö + I say hellö + You say goodbye + I say hellö +* dwihno is a beatle today + beetle + Nope + beatle +* Zagor squishes dwihno :) + This is Windows for you...'found out that significant part of time is spent ... In this function "select" is used with a timeout value of 1 micro second' + 1 us + turns out to be a "significant part" of time + Zagor: You are so nasty! + Nasty boy! + that must be one helluva implementation ;-) + Bagder: aren't they saying that since it times out so quickly it gets called very frequently? + no + this is a libcurl thing + I use it only once + ok + but it "significantly" slows windows operations down + haha + I can't but to laugh + curl? sounds gay ;) + doesn't most things to you? ;-) + curl groks ;-) + you are sitting WAY TOO MUCH in front of the computer screen :) + no, I'm not doing it enough! +* Zagor is starting go get mutt to behave + to + can mutt use different "roles" when replying etc? + haven't gotten that far yet :) + i think so, though. there's a lot of hooks everywhere you can use + Zagor: Hey, are you becoming a dwihno?! :) + mutt are belongs to us! + Mutt is evil software! :) + custom keybindings is a must rhough + yeah they are. i'm just checking out if it's better than pine. +--> elinenbe2 (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox + Well + It takes a while to get accustomed to it + (as everything else) + yes + ROROROROROOOCKBOOOOX! + Fa l ala +* dwihno has gotten 0xc0ffee into the veins +<-- [TOT]Maverick has quit () + Coffee is for the mind, what viagra is for the dick +<-- elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") +--- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe +<-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) + heh, the scrolling looks worse when I "fix" the threading ;-) + in the simulator that is + Any ideas why it flickers on the recorder? + you mean when scrolling? + nay, when going across pages +--> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox + hi jedix + hey + what are you guys working on today? +* Bagder fixes threading in the simulator, cursor on recorder, cvs logs on the site + nothing else ;-) + hehe + cool + I should probably update my cvs + Zagor: 'current_tick' is now in the simulator +* Bagder broke the win32 simulator build just now + Yay! :D + you rule Bagder +* dwihno just got a project finished + yay! + was that the 5 of 5 then? + yay = yet another youser + not really :) + I got 2 new :) + heh + One step forward, two steps back, ya'know :) + So now I'm gonna spend some time configuring a computer + (for purchase, that is) + Pentium 4 - M Supreme Performance + Yum + The volume bar should be a numerical value instead of a bar in Rockbox + (just a thought) + I often don't care for either way + I use up/down without any visual feedback + me too + but it's just a thought + the most useless feature: the L/R volume bars + indeed + all builds are now *green* + yay! :D + even with the extra warning flags? + yeps + now, coffee break + cools0r +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EABAF8.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + hi + Howdy edx! :D + http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_8200.htm, whaddya think? + Has Linus started working on the decoder chip on the recorder? + CVS archoses should show build date next to 'CVS' (the logo) + @ dell inspiron.. looks cool :) + What's the difference between SXGA+, UXGA, and enhanced UXGA? + ugh.. don't ask me :? +* dwihno wants to run rockbox on his recorder + but just tetris won't do it atm ;) + dwihno: toshiba 5105-s607 (better deal) + elinenbe: I'm no rich ass dude! + is there any firewire / usb2 converter? :) + do you know what the difference between UXGA, SXGA and stuff is? + hey elinenbe, wake up :) +<-- Zagor has quit ("bye") + elinenbe: don't ya' know? + hey edx + edx: I believe I broke the win32 simulator build + I am here + hellö :) + Do you know the diff between SXGA and UXGA? + and does 32 vs 64 meg gfx memory make a difference? + SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) + Is it only the resolution that is the diff? + I mean, they still maintain the same aspect ratio + 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution + 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution + 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution + 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution + 1280x1024 SXGA + sorry + uxga 1600x1200 (the best) + Extended UXGA, what's so special about that? + no idea. + I'll skip the floppy, it's outaged anywayhs + that is just uxga. + what do you have? + me? + UXGA + How is it for quake? ): + :) + I find those terms silly + 32 megs of memore -- nvidia geforce go + I have 1800x1440, I don't ave no silly acronym ;-) + i dont play quake, but fifa world cup runs sooo nicely + :)~ + FIFA is addictive! + My combinations are really fancy + on my old desktop I ran 1920x1440 + pass, pass, SCOOOORE! :) + actually, I usually have just 1600x1200 + the mobile ATI actually has better benchmarks + but + You have 32 megs in your computer? + the nvidia is soo mcuh better due to the drivers, etc. + 32 megs video ram + but more is always better + Of course :) + matrox + matrox is not known for games. + But unless you run 3d-games at a high res, 32 meg should be sufficient, right? + yeah + Matrox is a killer for 2D + it is fine here. + (with high-res, I mean, REALLY HIGH-RES) :) + Matrox has great stuff for 2d + yeah + yeah. + matrox ownz the 2D market + they have been excellent for ages + still are + i can run my laptop at max 1600x1200, AND an external monitor at 2048x1536 TAKE THAT! + hehe + its usually not the card that limits the resolution these days + I was just about to mention that + but I have no external monitor anymore -- how do you think I paid for the laptop :) + that is so true. + my old TNT card boasted with 3000xsomething resolution + some of the 64 meg cards can do that too. 4400x3300 + who the @$!#*& has a montiro THAT large? + And then the question is, who the heck uses such a high resolution? :) + Computer analphabets + I know of such a person :) + and he is a computer analphabet + does anyone here use cgywin? + cygwin. + I used to + Then I started using mingw + is that better or something? + UT - 15" TFT UXGA (1600x1200) + mingw uses the MS native C lib + cygwin uses some kind of unix emulation layer + that's the diff + s/uses/is/ + s/uses/comes with/ + or whatever ;) + ahh... that doesn't effect me. + $2250 is the final pricetag + including delivery + eww + I paid 2299 for mine + That's like... 3 luxorious trips + true + Whoa +* dwihno stops for a second, what the hell am I about to do?! + WIAT + WAIT + read this: + http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2645880-7-1454141.html?tag=prmo + ah + you got the topmost? + well, it only cost 2299, and yours costs nearly the same + "I receieved my toshiba 5105-S607 as a gift from my sister last month" + How sick isn't that + what!! + I had to sweep up elephant shit for 4 months for mine. + I've been working for 6 months to acquire the bonus +--- edx is now known as edx|away + I work for the circus + Noway! :) + finally he is out of here! + just kidding + You're the bearded lady? :) + yeah.. Ringling Brothers + elin en beard also known ;D + no... I was the elephant caretaker + At least you got a kickass laptop now! ): + ):Ö + :) + I guess. + delivery is 7-10 work days + if you have seen the pounds of shit I cleaned up, you would think again... + yeah, I guess elephants do produce quite a lot of shit + Badger: where do you live? + Stockholm, Sweden + I'm being torn apart between 32 or 64 megs of graphics memory + what is the cost difference? + well, remember a laptop is really NEVER upgradable. so what you buy now, you should expect to be happy with for at least 3 or 4 years. + $70 + it is probably better to shell out a little more now. If you get the 32 megs and you are not happy, then what do you do? + true + you are a wise man + (or, bearded lady, if you prefer that) ;) + new games. I read an article about how it is better to buy the best alptop that you can afford because it will last that much longs + longer + Where did you gain your wisdom? + I guess scoping elephant shit leaves a lot of time to do philosophical thinking + from the bearded lady. + haha + :) + 512 megs of RAM + 1,6 GHz + 1600x1200 UXGA + but no cd-rw fishy thing + ... and Linux 2.4.18? ;-] +* Bagder giggles + :) + I'll keep a dualboot thingy + what kind of built in network cards are there on these babies? + realtek? intel? + you're the one buying this + i dont know. + elinenbe: what's in yours? + Badger: you run linux -- right? + yepso + all the time + well, I run a 10 node cluster here :) + just kidding. + Internal combo 56k modem / 10/100 network + whoa + elinenbe: what NIC is in your box? + I have no clue. + I run win xp on my laptop. + that is what came on it. + ah + mkay + check? :) + I am not going to bother changing all this shit. + i run linksys wireless. + cool :) + wireless is sleek & sexy + I do all my programming on sun machines here anyway + I guess... + Time to do a final check before proceeding to the order part + I'm off for today, I'll come by tomorrow... see ya +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + He left :( + Nobody left + psy is left + and the bearded lady + have you compiled the firmware yet? + I have a question. + Sorry, I don't :/ + haven't + there + the order has been placed + did you use the 25% OFF code from techbargains.com? + nay + there is no cupon.. I'm just having some fun :-) + I thought you were + I just hope I will get the computer soon + At least, the order has been placed. +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + tjoho ironin! + ironi: now I've ordered the new computer! :D + yay x 10 +<-- ironi has quit ("changing servers kano!15beta8") +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + lalala + hi all + your UI man is here + =) + where? +* dwihno looks around + I can't see anything + Well, I'm off for the weekend +--- dwihno is now known as dwihno|weekender + ironi: have you done anything with the UI yet? + elinenbe: well no =) + I can suggest changes and let ppl who know more implement them hehe + oh.... I see + I can do that too :) +--> mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox + when I am compiling the firmware. I get an error... + drivers/button.c: In function `button_tick': + drivers/button.c:70: `NULL' undeclared (first use in this function) + can anyone help me +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + music of the day (MOTD) : cd1-12-armand_van_helden-why_cant_you_free_some_time_(-lbe.mp3 +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +<-- elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has left #rockbox +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Client Quit) +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +--- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno +<-- elinenbe has quit (Client Quit) +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +--> gringo (~gringo@200.201.248.120) has joined #rockbox +<-- gringo has quit ("Client Exiting") +<-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") +--- dwihno is now known as dwihno|weeender +<-- mecraw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--- dwihno|weeender is now known as dwihno|weekender +<-- jedix has quit ("Client Exiting") +--> mecrawnicknack (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox +--> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox + YO! + dang... everyone is sleeping or working :/ + whats up? +--> BIGDave (~chatzilla@modem-847.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #rockbox +<-- BIGDave has quit (Remote closed the connection) +--- edx|away is now known as edx|sleep + heya adi +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox + heya elinenbe + hey there. + you are compiling under cygwin -- right? + yeah + can you step me through it really fast. when you install cygwin do what options did you check? + I could not get it to compile today -- it told me I was missing the header files. + string.h + stdio.h + etc... + oh + did you install gcc with cygwin? + yeah + I should not do that -- right? + no. + what packages should I select? + you need gcc to get to the cross compiled one + I don't think it's a package issue + string.h is standard lib + well, then binutils asks for a cc compiler? + yeah I know. + you may have to mod that make for binutils then + how did you do it? + I'm trying to recall the steps in my crusty brain here :D + I'm not near my install + I am going to do a default cygwin install... + yeah but I encountered the cc problem you had + oh. + I should install cygwin without gcc -- right? + I know I have a solution. I believe I edited the makefile and changed CC=cc to CC=gcc + oh... ok + no you need an initial gcc to get things done + then I should install gcc? + yeah + then you update it when you do Zagor's instructions + ok, so I am installing cygwin default, with gcc + don't forget make as well + :D + ok. + which make. + the make proggy + I am just doing the standard configure/make/make install + I'm sure it installs by default + well, I will tell you. + the missing string.h is probably a pathing issue you're having + well, it was there in /usr/include + yeah but on mine it wouldn't find it with cygwin for some reason + I had to put it right into the makefiles that required it + then compiles worked + what do you mean you had to put it right into the make file? + the path? + yeah + -I/usr/include + then compiles worked + oh... ok + well, that is all I think I needed to do then + for some reason it doesn't pick it up + oh ok + well then try that :D + everything was compiling okay, except that. + oh + then you're far enough along that it's probably that bit + I haven't gone back to shell setup to figure it out as it's easy enough to put that extra include in the Makefiles. + brb +<-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox + boy it takes faaaar too long for archos' firmware to load just the first 999 tracks of my wholedisk playlist heh + I think the rockbox version takes too long + heh + oh yeah? + yeah! + 2 seconds is WAY too long :) + hehe + yeah + I am just kidding + well the new technology + the rockbox firmware is quite nice + based on precessional resonance + did you do the playlist code? + and subatomic manipulations rather than interatomic motions + will be much more capable than our current "electronic" technology is + I see... + me code? hah... + i play with code sometimes... i even write some interesting things... but i don't really code :p +--> elinenbe2 (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe + psyco- does the rockbox code actually play the songs in the playlist for you? + not last i tried + ok then I'm not crazy + I compiled last night, but no go on playing the songs + but it sure as heck loaded te playlist fast :D + hehe + yeah + I'll have to update my code tonight to see if something got submitted. +<-- g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has left #rockbox +<-- mecrawnicknack has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") +<-- edx|sleep has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +--> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +--- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno +--- dwihno is now known as dw|gone +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--- edx|sleep is now known as edx +<-- edx has quit ("be right back") +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--- Tumm is now known as Tum|sova +<-- edx has quit ("restart") +<-- PsycoXul has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + hey Bagder + hey ho + just got up? + no + hi as well :) + Heh I got up, and breafast was served, total luxury. + hey edx + My gf is visiting, heh. + *practical* + my wife took off for the rest of the day ;-) + hehe, sounds like you can sit in front of the computer without hearing "Will you ever get off that thing?" + heheh, exactly + I know that feeling + "Can't you just let it go when I'm here" + ... with references to the fine weather etc ;-) + hehe + well i hear the weather rocks in sthlm the last days + here it's crap the last week + hey + I made 26 changes in the last daily build + alone + we should get the guys work more ;-) +* edx stares on his feet + hehe +* dw|gone is _NOT_ here ;) + the win32 build broke, didn't it? + huh? + I think I broke it + didnt try (even more staring to my feet) +* Bagder pleads guilty + congrats :P + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily/changes-20020615.txt + read the first change mentioned ;-) + LOL + *compiling* + one unresolved external... :) + what file is this/ + ? + current_tick, right? + sure hehe + what file is it in and what shall it do? + I "fake" it, check uisim/x11/thread.c + just increase it every now and then ;-) + k + in target it is incremented by the timer interrupt + in what timespan is the interrupt called + I'm not sure, but it might be something like 50ms between + when do you increase it? + on yield() and on sleep() + I just add 3 in yeild and 5 in sleep() + aha + just to make it continue "growing" + ill set up a timer :) + hmm this is a variable or a function (just a variable, right?) + you could do that, if you think that'll be more fun ;-) + just a variable, yes + more code more fun lol + hehe + where is current_tick declared (header file..)? + kernel.h + (ok.. works) + neato + hey cool.. the scroll character for the recorder changed. nice + yeah + I never liked using only a minus + for the player its a questionmark on the simulator... is that correct ?! + yes + we should fix that too + it's a special character on the target + ok + we just don't have that in the simulator charset + seen the new link on the compile status table too? + .. no? + it makes it easy to see which changes that were committed just before the automatic build + changelog you mean? + that is great + no I meant down in the "CVS compile status" table + the "batch" dates are now links + cool.. it colors warnings :) + yeps + .. could you do me a favour? + sure, what? + http://codeforce.d2g.com/new/ this page.. does it look ok in linux? + (heh.. i registered a channel on openprojects.net as well lol... this irc is really useful) + looks fine + ok.. thanks +--- edx is now known as edx|eating +--- edx|eating is now known as edx +--- edx is now known as edx|eating +* Bagder commits +--- edx|eating is now known as edx + broken my build again?! hehe + heh, no, I made it nicer ;-) + fixed the cursor on the simulated player + (my build?!) hehe... + ah cool + thats good + should work fine for you too + hmm we should add win32 simulator for the daily page :) + but i see no way how this would be possible :/ + there's no x11 simulator build daily either + only automaticly for the build status one + maybe that's what you meant? + yea + but theres a report for the sim + yes + it's easy to build automaticly + and why is there a P-Old sim.. thats the same as p-sim, right? + hehe, yes it should be pretty much exactly the same ;-) + (why is tehre a p-old at all.. its only one step) + p-old has a different lcd + oh.. ok + that's why + maybe i could provide a daily build page for the win32 simulator on my server. + sure! + but i couldn't get it update automatically i guess (i could update it everytime i change something) + but then we won't see it break if someone else change something... + hmm yea + the problem is that my server doesnt have visual studio installed... + .. well i have an idea.. but it needs a testing.. maybe i could get it to work + it would need to checkout, compile, generate a webpage... + that's gets less and less a problem the more i think about it + be right back. +--- edx is now known as edx|brb + :-) +--- edx|brb is now known as edx + Bagder: I am trying to get things compiled on my server now, if it works, i'll set up a page which updates hourly and contains the last 24 compilation reports + cool! + i hope it work if i just copy some files and dont intsall visual studio +* Bagder writes new screen savers ;-) + YAY! + :D + hehe + hey, I *am* an old demo coder ;-) + lol .. write the sine wave for rockbox hehe + I do! + cool :) + screensave should be activated automatically after 5 mins of non-action lol + right now, I have a 'R' that flies around the screen in a circle ;-) + hehe + Whoa + evil stuff ): + ): + ): + :) + <-- is mongo today + it looks pretty cool + flies around? + yeah, "ROCKbox" + all letters independently + cool :) + on a sine wave + I guess I'll have to see it for myself + I'll check the build on monday morning + hm, I wonder if I can make the rockbox logo be in the background... + hehe :) + demo coding for the archos + perfect for some wild compo ;) + hahaha + Well, at least, the music is not a problem ;) +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> webmind_ (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox +<-- webmind has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + it does require some minor lcd fixes... :-) +* Bagder jumps in + time to try on target +* dw|gone is trying to focus on the code, and not on the fact that he's hungry like a wolf + rock! + http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ + *yawn* + I'll test it, just for your sake ;) + hehe + it is just totally useless, but its fun ;-) + I'm considering a game now ;-) + what about fixing broken code? :) + nah, not as fun + hehe + like what code are you referring to? + dunno :) + Sometimes it locks when I start fiddling with the volume + hahaha + you are really sick :) +* Bagder grins + really neat :) + and they fly! ;-) + How come the directory browsing is 100 times faster with rockbox? + no idea + I mean, when entering new dirs + they must be doing something terrible + yeah + and the scroller still scrolls when going across dirs :) + If the LCD flickering stops and we get mp3 decoding, I'll start using it rightaway :) + I agree + pok?mon instead of pokémon + with our playlist support too, it'll be a killer + yeah + yeah, we have no such letter + aren't you using the built in font? + there is no built-in on the recorder + ah... + 100% "home made" ;-) + ah, that's why it's butt ugly ;) +* Bagder nods + 5x7 in a 6x8 space? + yes + Less than 7 pixels vertical will not look good, but I guess it's possible to narrow it down a bit horizontally + Yes, at least some letters + The main issue is long filenames + !¤"#! archos firmware won't even show the entire filenames ,) + is it possible to have 2+ simultaneous scrollers? + edx: around? + dw|gone: oh sure + with the current code, thatis + how do you keep the scroller running while accessing the disk at the same time? + we use several threads + the scrolling is in its own thread + Do you think the archos firmware has threading? + I don't think so + but they could and perhaps have other limits on their threads than we do + how big is the firmware without the padding atm? + lemme check + hm + I don't quite get the map file + mkay + well, approx 20k? + when loaded, we use 4de4c ram + 320k + do you know how much the original firmware uses? + no + I guess I could figure out by checking my dissassembly + anyway, included in those 320K is our malloc heap etc + currently we have no code that use malloc() ;-) + the code is about 32700 bytes + in this recorder build + ouch, yellow alert! + Badger: you want to program a game -- try sokoban :) + hehehe + I'm thinking pong... + what is sokoban? + what about arkanoid? :) + http://verde666.org/sed/sokoban/ + and has Linus started looking on the decoder chip? + its written using 'sed' + yes +* dw|gone is like a kid in a candy store + Rockbox already rocks without any music ;D + erhgm + With a screenshot, I STILL DON'T understadn sokoban :) + its just the ultimate geek thing, to write a game using a tool meant for search/replace + aaaah :) + I see + I never played it ;-) + I test it now :) + There was a port for gameboy called boxxle + fancy :) + Darn + 16:00 + I should finish what I'm working on and go homo + home ;) + hah + freudian slip? ;-) + hehe + dunno + how many entries does the playlist support by default? + you mean non-rockbox? + no, rockbox :) + 10000 + Does anyone of you know Java a little? + mkay + edx: euuh, a little, yes ;-) + great :D + I'll test loading a huge playlist + Bagder: what does thius line do: + dw|gone: Björn has 40GB, he has no more than 5500 songs ;-) + inURL = new URL(getCodeBase(), infile); + it constructs a url + ok thats what i know as well.. what will the url look like? + codebase sounds JSP'ish + I dunno if it does some base64 encoding too perhaps + ahhh .. i think i got it. + thanks + heh.. thanks for nothing ;) + edx: .. eeeeh... uuuuh. "win32 simulator break alert" :-) + is there any way I can add a file to your build? + is rockbox capable of building playlists by itself yet? + no + we don't even have the write() function enabled + aah + smart + yeah, its for safety + we have no functions for altering disk contents yet + I like the boot speed of rockbox +* Bagder agrees + Would be neat to know what exactly the archos firmware does that takes so much time + yes + it is possible we might need to do a few of those things too in the future + any ideas of what? + it shows the disk label as a file btw + I have no clue really, I just mean that we haven't quite investigated everything yet + "INSANITY.!" + true, true + it's not possible to switch it off with the power cord in + no + Time to check how fast it loads a 3000 track playlist + whoa + it interprets #-lines as files + yes + right + I fix + do they all start with # in the first column? + yeah + winamp-style + it loads the playlist FAAAAAAAST! :D + In just a couple of seconds + about 1000 songs per second + that is many many times faster than the built-in + hehe + yeah + 1 song per second is the firmware default ;) + or perhaps 10 + but that's not close to 1000 ;) + it is an amazingly huge diff actually + what happens when the unit runs of battery? + with rockbox firmware, that is + it dies ;-) + I mean run out of battery + just running on battery is no diff than with power cord + I just wonder if there is some kind of shutdown procedure required not to harm the hard disk + well + I think we should try to do that, yes + # support added + yay ;D + is the directory browser 100%? + I mean, showing every file and such + yes, there's a maximum amount of files in a single dir I believe though + I have a dir with 4 dirs and 1 pls + it didn't show the pls + m3u + ! + what is the playlist called? + Everything.m3u + in my dir "Electronica" + weird + and it happens all the time? + nope only once + now it shows " - Der Sinn d" instead of Welle erdball + ok + Der Sinn des Lebens is a subdir in "Welle erdball" + hm + oops + I just caused a hang + I wonder if there's some bug in the target dir read code + Trying to load a m3u with + \ in the filename + argh + it's a live + it died while loading the playlist? + it died for a lot of seconds + then it began to live again +* elinenbe decide to go run 100 miles while gcc builds... and then MAYBE it will be done. + hehe, yeah it can take a while ;-) + not as long as anything that is qt/kde + heheh + koffice took forever on a 2x1500mhz pc + luckily, rockbox builds blazingly fast ;-) + :) + Badger: if I want to add " -I/usr/include " to the makefile, where would I put it? + firmware/Makefile and apps/Makefile + I am compiling under cygwin and for some reason it does not find the header files. + yeah, but how do I add it into the makefile? + both of them have a line like "INCLUDES=" where you can add that extra -I + if this is a problem to more people, we could probably fix this better + the apps makefiles does, but the tools/makefile does not. + It is for anyone compiling under cygwin + not tools, firmware + g003y had this problem + hm, ok + too + I think I know the fix for this problem + we must add header files to our project, since we don't use newlib anymore + that could be the thing + you build without newlib, right? + yeah + I did not donload it or anything. + so that's it + we need to supply a bunch of headers ourselves + huff.. when I do a make all + I get this garbage + Eric@VIOLET ~/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools + $ make all + make -C ../firmware TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER NODEBUG=1 OBJDIR="/home/Eric/rockbo + x-daily-20020615/tools" + make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware' + Updating dependencies for thread.c + Updating dependencies for system.c + system.c:19:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory + Updating dependencies for settings.c + settings.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory + Updating dependencies for panic.c + panic.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory + and more and more of that... + it can not find the standard header files at all + right, that's why we need to provide our own + is there any way around this for me? + did you add -I/usr/include in the firmware/Makefile ? + yeah + hold on... + I added a /usr/includes by mistake + ah + in tools I did a 'make clean' + make all + and then still get an error... + this is witht the most recent tarball + make[1]: sh-elf-a: Command not found + make[1]: *** [/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools/librockbox.a] Error 127 + make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware' + make: *** [firmware] Error 2 + ! + in tools? + I am just doing a make clean + make install + in the toold directory <-- that should build everything -- right? + hm + but the make gives me that error. + did you run the configure script in the tools directory? + yeah + I'll do that again to make sure everything is cool + you should rather create a separate build directory and run the configure script there + ok + mkdir ../build; cd ../build; ../tools/configure + I get the same thing + "sh-elf-a: command not found" + is your PATH setup to include the dir with the sh-gcc tools? + lemme check + I followed the direction on the web page... the path should be something like "~/sh1/bin" + well, that is in the path + make sure it is $HOME/ and not ~/ + or full path + it is $HOME + acutally the full path + ok + in /sh1/bin I do not have a sh-elf-a, I have sh-elf-ar and sh-elf-as though + yeah + but if you check the Makefile, it uses as and ar only + ok + seems to be the ar line that goes wrong + it compiles all c source first, doesn't it? + the ar line in the makefile is messed up; + AR = sh-elf-a + that is what it says + in the Makefile? + yeah, all the C code is great + yeah + your Makefile must've been ruined somehow + in firmware/Makefile + should be -ar + well, I just got it from the tarball... + odd + I'll check the tarball + i just checked it -- it is there + I must have messed oit up. + ah, ok + thanks for the help + no problems + now my enviroment is all nice :) + there we go... + we'll sort out the include problem too + no problem. + it works fine with the include added to the makefile. Is that not an ok solution? + sure its ok + when it makes it annoying if you wanna update often + s/when/but + one last thing: how do I compile the scramble.c file? + when you ran configure in that dir, the original Makefile was overwritten. Get the orginal one back and run make in there + ok + will do. + Badger: thanks so much, everything is going great + goodie +--> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + bbl +<-- Bagder has quit ("http://daniel.haxx.se") +<-- Wettoad has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox +--- dw|gone is now known as dwihno|weekender +--- Tum|sova is now known as Tumm +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + heya +--> E0x-down (moya@31stb59.codetel.net.do) has joined #rockbox +<-- E0x-down (moya@31stb59.codetel.net.do) has left #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- Tumm has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) +--> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + heya bagder + hey ho + nice work on that include issue + thanks, but we're not quite there yet ;-) + does the -I/to/whatever still need to be added to the makefiles? + yes, I didn't really change this yet + ahhhh + ok + I'm only preparing + well at least you figured out the prob + All I knew was the -I fixed it for me :D + :-) + but I figured it was cygwin being all dumb on win32 + so is your "play-screen" coming anywhere? + well I haven't done a ton of work recently. + I did get setup on source forge + basically right now I can compile to choose between a file scroll or id3 display + though I'm looking into modding the settings to store it and make it user selectable + user settable is nice + then I will add a 3rd set of logic that will attempt to pull apart directory/filename for information + so it looks id3 ish + remember that we can't yet store anything on disk + yup + I see the writes still return 1l + without doing anything :D + hehe + so what I will do now is make the default option switchable on compile + then ppl will just be able to change it on the fly if they need to + sounds fine + question for ya + do the playlists actually play? + yes + dang.... + for some reason I can't get mine going + it scans it and just sits there + oh + I tried making with vi, a script and winamp + nothing worked for me as of a couple days ago + well, to tell you the truth, I wrote the code but I have a recorder so I can't really try it on target yet ;-) + hahahahahahahaha + well I haven't really debugged into it, but the logic looks correct + we might need to get someone with gdb to look at it + yeah I've just been "printfing" to the screen for debugging output :D + yeah, and the simulators are usually pretty good too to try stuff on + but not when it comes to actual mp3 playback + I haven't gotten mine to succesfully compile yet + so like the old COBOL days.... I try to get it right on the first try :D + the win32 one? + yeah + but it's probably just me + I wouldn't know, I've never tried ;-) + I'm on the x11 one + the x11 seems to have more compile directions + I got it to compile once when I first got the firmware. + though now... eh. + I just outright forgot how I managed it + I'll have to try again. + it would be neat to get a cygwin version Makefile for the win32 simulator + oh hey. + there it goes with current + ok I was being a llame :D + llama that is + cute.... + I need to compile the player + version though + yes + it should be possible + ok so it pulls apps logic from the apps directory right? + yes + good + no screwing around then :D + the apps should run pretty much unaltered in target and simulators + _should_ hehehehheh + the true beauty of C :D + right, we can never be completely sure + hey, I wrote my flying rockbox this afternoon + all in simulator + worked on first attempt on target + flying rockbox? + you should see it ;-) + kind of a screensaver, totally useless + you mean the logo? + ha + that will only work on the recorder right? + no, the text Rockbox flying around on sine waves + yes + hhahahahah... cool. + if you get the simulator working, you'll see it ;-) + Badger: will that be included in the tarball tonight? + hm, no + that is a shame + or what did you mean? + the includes right? + no, your sine rockbox + ah, that'll be included + yeah only the important stuff first :D + hehe + I am building a sokoban clone. + I will get it done within a day or two. + we could pretend it is useful as it tests the lcd functions properly ;-) + yeah :) + hey I think it's cool so it needs to be included anyway :D + g003y: everything is up and running great under cugwin here... Badger helped me earlier today. + coool + what was the last you needed to do? + I had to add the included to the Makefiles. + that was about it. + yeah + thats what I was saying yesterday + a -I/usr/include right? + ya + good deal. good to see you're up & running + I am partially throguh a sokoban clone + but, it is slow as I am running everything on the target. I am not able to compile the simulator. + I just got it to compile from current myself + how were you able to do that? + I sync to cvs tree + the windows simulator? + ah... but what did you use to compile? + yeah I just tried with the latest source +--- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe + nmake from a dos window + oh + I have vc installed with all the paths + so uh heh nobody's interested in writing a proper text viewer for the player's huh? + so do I, but no nmake. + a text viewer should be really simple to write + you probably don't have all the paths registered in your environment for dos + yeah it should be... + i haven't had much luck with it though heh + you need to run the vcvars.bat which is somehere in the vc install dir + then run nmake in the uisimulator->win32 dir + ok + I will try that :) + text viewer? + like a text file? + yeah + joc- why? + what you doing? + huh? wanting to view text files? + heh + yeah but just for the heck of it? + no... for the ability to read books i've got on my archos while listening to music on it heh + ahhhhhhhh + I still can't run nmake. + thats some small text though. you'll be scrolling from here to kingdom come + yes + well you only really need 1 line... + yeah but you'd only get some many characters wide on that display + i figure it'd be pretty usable if it scrolled by word + except for words >11 chars + heh + heheh + yeah you could scroll it, but I bet after all the work it wouldn't really be usable + in that sense + nah i've played with a few different methods for it +--- edx is now known as edx|sleep + and even scrolling by char isn't unusable + hmmm ok + you're a freak :D + heh yeah + though a text viewer could be used in many interesting wayts + on the recorder it could be neat + VI for Archos :D + but i'm just a lousy coder who can't really do it "proper" with good memory management and such like that + yeah the recorder has the kind of display you could pull it off with + yeah + well doesn't archos' firmware for the recorder already display text? i read it did... + hm, perhaps it does ;-) + I haven't tried it + i figured the best player text viewer would have selectable modes + like a 'less' style mode that gives an 11x2 window and lets you scroll around + yeah true + a book mode that goes by-word scrolling + etc + and a bookmark feature would also be handy + but unfortunately my skills as a coder aren't such that i know how about going about such a thing... heh + well you'd need a buffer and a file handle to get yourself started :D + I think it should scroll automaticly and you'd only control the speed and pause/play + yup the scroll api is really nice + my attempts at just making a simplistic by-word scrolling viewer with no fancy features have been nasty little pieces that didn't really work heh + Bagder: thats a good idea + save a lot of wear on the buttons heh + yeah + and fingers + you'd only make it run as fast as you wanna read, and then lean back ;-) + or lean in :D + heh + but what is memory availability like for other tasks while mp3's are playing? + well you're only looking at one line of text right? + the mp3 buffers are never available to anyone else, so the situation is the same all the time + you shouldn't eat up much memory doing it. + yeah + it would need *some* to prevent it from reading from disk all the time + but we don't wanna keep reading from disk all the time either + well you will need an optimal character buffer + how fast can a person read? how many words a minute do an average? + but you're gonna have to take the hit on disk read anyway + 200-300? + Bagder: i dunno, i think it varies pretty widely + I guess + just trying to estimate buffers... :-) + there's also going backwards.. sometimes you just gotta go back and re-read something, or maybe you missed a word, etc + and i dunno how to handle that sorta stuff with buffers heh + like nicely anyways + you would need to define what going back means + 1 line or word at a time? + *shrug* i guess going backwards would probably be good going a whole line or so back per backwards press + the way i see it maybe as far as the interface is in autoscrolling the - decreases speed and + increases it, and then play/pause does just that, and in pause mode -/+ might jump backwards/forwards a line.. or something + not a bad idea + that could work + ok, should it just output one word at a time, or try to "fill up" ? + well i think it should try to fill at least 1 line... + and 2 if there's a single word that is >11 letters? + for book purposes i don't really see the need for filling both lines.. i played with that a bit and it didn't really improve readability + gotta idle + yeah + the 2nd line could also display something like i dunno possition or some useful thing most of the time, and a long-word wrap around like you said would probably be good + true + bookmarking could probably be just storing an offset somewhere.. like maybe a similarly named file that you could then select to go to its stored spot in the text file or something? ... + yes + but i suppose thats gotta wait for writing heh + :-) + so should the buffer be a fixed size or maybe scale with scrollspeed or something? + fixed probably easiest and probably good enough +* Bagder has an embryo now + wow + ok, it works a little now + I added it to CVS + it isn't actually used yet though + night +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + bagder has an embryo? interesting. + hehe + I idle for a little while and you guys get him pregnant? + yep + well you helped i think + hahaha + I'm not paying child support. I was tricked :D + hehe + but hey its cool + textshow.c + did you get it working? + i haven't tried it + just looked at it for the first time a second ago + heh + looks like much cleaner code than anything i've tried to do heh + heh +<-- Tumm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PsycoXul has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- g003y has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- wettoad has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- edx|sleep has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Hadaka has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- datazone has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PiotR has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +--> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +--> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox +--> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +--> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox +--> edx|disconnected (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- edx|sleep has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +--- edx|disconnected is now known as edx +--- edx is now known as edx|away +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +<-- edx|away has quit ("be back later") +--> Lear (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) has joined #rockbox + Hi, gave a rockbox nightly build a test spin. Now, how do I turn it off? :) + plug the archos into the computer, then turn it on and then remove the file + optionally copy in a normal firmware from archos if you don't want to use the flashrom one + To turn it on, I need to turn it off first... That's the problem. And nothing happens when I plug in the USB cable. + err, unplug the charger cable + and then hold the off button for a second or two + then plug in the USB cable (not the charger cable) + make sure that the USB cable is plugged in to the computer as well + and then turn it on + it should go into the USB mode + and after that you can plug in the charger cabel + ah, so the charger cable caused the problem. not very obvious, imho. :) + well yes + the problem being that the charger cable forces the jukebox to be on - so the hard power off doesn't work + I found out that way before I got into rockbox - but someone should write something about that on the rockbox site + like "How do I uninstall?" + yeah, typical FAQ stuff. +<-- Lear has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") +--> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--- edx|sleep is now known as edx +<-- edx has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- elinenbe has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Hadaka has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- datazone has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PsycoXul has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Tumm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PiotR has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- wettoad has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- webmind_ has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- dwihno|weekender has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- jb1081 has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- adi|work has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +--> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +--> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox +--> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +--> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox +--> webmind_ (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox +--> jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox +--> dwihno|weekender (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox +--> adi|work (~adiamas@pool-151-204-140-140.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox +--> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> Lear (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) has joined #rockbox + is anyone here? + yep +--> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + again, is anyone here. + elinebe: guess you don't hear me then :) + ah... + by any chance do you have the win32 recorder dimulator compiled? + nope, just tried rockbox today. :) + oh... ok + and I have a studio... + thanks anyway +--> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + there seems to be some sort of bug with lcd_fillrect() at least it does not seem to work for me properly. (This is on the recorder) I get the LED light blinking. +--> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox + c'est moi, adam, gidday +* myshkin quaffs a Jolt cola + :P + what? +<-- Lear has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") +<-- myshkin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> green_ (~green@adsl-64-160-53-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox + the h/d on my jukebox 6000 is messed up + I got a h/d disk error while using it yesterday + Neither Windows nor Linux can mount it. + I thought I would just try reformating it... + ..but I'm not sure how. + if you cant mount it, then it will be quite hard to format it! + I figured it out. + mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdc1 + I was missing the "-F 32" part. + It's playing mp3 files again... phew! + you sure the batteries weren't just low? + PaycoXul: I am almost done with sokoban for the Rockbox (recorder only!) + heh + well good for you, and the recorder :p + you know that game? + i've heard of it, i don't recall what it is though + finished my first beta + hmmm - when I copy my files from Linux to mounted jukebox file names get truncated to 8.3. How do you avoid this/ + ? +--> noalavida (MASTest@121-MAD2-X70.libre.retevision.es) has joined #rockbox +<-- noalavida has quit () +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + I must keep missing Zagor this weekend +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox +--> miah (~miah@pihkal.com) has joined #rockbox + green_: are you mounting it as vfat or msdos? + anyone who has a recorder can now plasy sokoban on it :) + s/plasy/play + PsycoXul: msdos + should I use vfat? + I just tried vfat. Much better! +<-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + edx!!! + hey there. + I need some helps + can you send me a compiled win32 simulator? For some reason I can not get it to compile using nmake. + .. + why not (whats the error it gives you?) + my msvc is messed up. + it is nothing wrong with your package. + it might not work at all hehe + recorder or player compilation + I just made a sokoban clone for the rockbox, and it is kind of a pain loading it onto the AJBR every time. + I need both to tell you the truth + ok wait a second + you can either email or DCC + are you behind a firewall (or a server) or can i send files via irc? + I am behind a firewall, but it should work :() + :) +<-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + i am sorry.. i had to kill mirc + no problem. + do you get the request (if not i'll mail you) + yeah I got the request, but I do not think the DCC is going to work + just email them. + that would be great + adress? :) + elinenbe@umich.edu + there it goes... 256 kb if that is ok.. + no prob. + that is great + where are you located? + you did the sokoban :) + yeah + Germany + it is fun + has it been uploaded, yet? + but you know what I just made it better. I put a dealy on key presses. It works more nicely + where are you located? + s/dealy/delay + Ann Arbor, MI, USA + and I can only have 4 levels. if I have more then 4 leves I get complie errors. + i dont know sokoban... is it integratet into the source yet? + no, but you can get it at my www page. + what's the site's address? + heh i just used PalmVNC + cool stuff =) + that is a cool program + do you have a palm phone? + but its sooo slow + no i dont + no i dont.. i have used vnc tho + i have aplain old palm III + www.umich.edu/~elinenbe/ajbrec.ajz + how do I use the recorder? + yup + the simulator I mean + how does it load the firmware? + the firmware is compiled into it +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + oh + but even through GPRS it's way too slow + hey g003y + i can make a compilation with your sokoba if you have source where a main function exists + heya + sokoban... + hi + see you got your clone working. + unfortunately I don't have a recorder :( + dont worry about it I will get it into the CVS + do you have CVS access? + only anonymous still + I contacted Zagor, but haven't heard back + hmm i'll compile sokoban for the simulator.. :) + what's up with this clone? + it works :D + I just made a sokoban clone for the recorder. + I think... + now i know what sokoban is.. damn that rocks + i compiled a win32 sim with it + interested anyone? :) + i'll put it on my webserver and post the address in the mailing list lol + well, the sokoban is only 4 levels. I could not make it more. + something about confliction addresses. + hmm + i like it very much + it's a cool game! :) great design + http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/sokoban(win32sim).exe + unforutnalely it doesnt seem to work at the moment + (the address i mean) + i have to leave now... good night + see ya +<-- edx has quit ("zzzZZZzzz") + well + hm + id love to make an arkanoid game for the player + oh yeah + but is i tpossible to control the dots? + the player is not as flexible as the record that way + or is it just possible to use symbols int he different squares + you could possibly do something like arkanoid on the player + it would be much harder though + yup + so the player display only accepts symbols? + i.e. i cant control every one of the ....lets say 9 dots in every char + separately + only accepts a set of valid characters as defined in the characters table + I believe + it's not bitmap based like the recorder + hence why all these cool little games are happening for the recorder + well, the characters are 7x9 or something likee that -- rihgt? + but the player mod can play mp3s at least :D + soemthing like that... I'd have to look at the code + that is true, but soon so will the recorder. + yeah anyword on that ? + nothing definitly + too bad archos didn't use the same chipsets. it would probably have it already then + I think I might be making a demo on a recorder for a party that's sometime next year + go for it. That would be great. + I think I am going to do a vector engine. + asteroids ! + :D + then you would have to do sin tables and stuff like that. + maybe I won't do that... + heheheheheehe + starts to sound more like work than fun eh? +--> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + netsplit + love those. they are like virtual roller coaster rides :D + hehe + well i dont get very excited though :-P + heheh + w00t... my stuff almost works :D + just a bit of tweaking on the string parsing and menu exit & done + what is it that you are doing? + making a user selectable mp3 play display + the mod right now only does id3 + I'm adding a couple more options to this + one is scroll the filename ala classic firmware + and two is more of a path parsing to pull out relevant information + as well as maintain the option of id3 tag display + is that just for recorder? + no player + I only have a player right now + great + i have player + I may leave the recorder implementation up to someone else :D + so can you pleas emake the recation on click when scrolling a bit delayed + plus I will have to integrate this with playlist functionality once it's done + as it is now its way too fast + reaction + i'd love to try what you have done + to give you feedback + I'm sure it could be tweaked, but I don't have ssh access to the tree did + yeah I'll post it + I just have to get the menu exit right. + i haven't set up a compile environment, really + :P + maybe i should + are you on win32? + yup + then it's as easy as Zagor's directions + so long as you install cygwin + i do have a linux box, but it's just 486 dx4/100 + maybe too slow + hahaha... wow been awhile since I've seen one of those + I was considering vmware + depends on how fast you want your mod file :D + anyway I'm compiling on win32/cygwin myself + i have it installed already + yeah? well isnt it so much more convenient to do it in linux? + it doesn't matter tome + cygwin gives ya a bash shell + from there it all feels the same + works the same as well + oh really + you should have the same tools at your disposal as a linux install + lemme see + yup + The new v0202 version now uses MinGW instead of Cygwin. + should i get the new one then? + huh? + v0202 of what? + gnush toolchain + I don't use gnush toolchain + but what then + that is only another way to do it, but it was more difficult to setup IMO + that is the instructions on the rockbox page + ok tlel me what to do + tell + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html + install cygwin + then do that from the shell + ok brb + I belive edx is using the gnush + toolkit + elinenbe did it my way with success as well + well really Zagor's way :D + cygwin installer is a mess + it's not that bad. + you just have to select things ala the package menu + well + i dont knwo what i need + now it froze + ouch + i dont understand a thing from the packae install + prev curr exp + previous current expected? + but what? + I go with current myself + exp probably is experimental + can i actually install X here? + and run it under iwndows + IDK... I don't do X + I doubt it though + ok + well it wa sin the options + it seems like one can install a complete linux system to run under windows + well maybe you can, but I've never tried it nor have I known anyone to do it that wayy + ok + well ill skip it for now + good choice :D + oh i need ot get binutils and stuff + you do all that after you install cgywin to get it updated + you'll need to recompile gcc per his directions on the website. + which means you will need gcc & make and all that installed + you can get the tarballs for the stuff from Gnu. + ok cygwin instaslled + so now what + update it? + follow the directions on the url I posted + wooo + this is soo cool + yeah *nix shell on win32 :). spooky even. + well it seems terribly slow though + what is terribly slow? + or this is maybe a very old version of wget + no probs here + though I just went to the gnu site, and fetched it with IE. Saved it to the proper directory and extracted it all from the cygwin shell + oh really + yeha + yeah i guess that can be done hehe + you got unixy power and ease of IE available to you :D + then i can use d/l accelerator + way faster + sure whatever floats your boat + don't attempt to extract the tarballs with winzip though. It's lame about it all + do it the way the website shows, but from the cygwin shell so you get all the tools you need. + i see + well im familiar with linux + alright then you should be ok + i dont like the look of this bash shell + i want directory + well then set it up the way you want it :D + heh actually never done that + well llook into it later + gdb i s jsut for remote debugging right? + yeah + I didn't set that up + k + I do it the painful way + compile an dcopy to the archos? + and + yup :D + like the old cobol days + but is remote debugging possible in window stoo? + IDK + probably + cc not found + change CC=cc to CC=gcc in the makefile + k + ah + text editor + none + vi + not there? + no :/ + stupid cygwin + you should be able to go back and install that package + ill just use my win text editor + that shoudl workd + yup + so i change it to gcc and try configure again + yeah + well i didnt have gcc either + oh well install it :D + you need a current rev to get yourself started + i tell you, cygwin installer suxx + I don't like the package selection either + but once it's installed it works + well yes + it owuld be coolt with an apt-like system heh + cyg-get gcc + =) + yes + that would be nice + wouldnt be too har dot accomplish sinc eit already is installing by downloading packages + prolly possible to fix in a perl script + does it have one once you install the main portion of cygwin? + I've never seen one, but it might exist :D + im trying aain + again + and again :D + it seems to be able to configure now + but its acting like a p133 or something + eww + http://xfree86.cygwin.com/screenshots/cygwin-xfree86-wmaker.png + i have to try X under cygwin + prolly slow + probably + but it is kind of funny + eyeah + well its kinda stupid when one looks at vmware + i wish there was a open source vmware clone + u still there g003y + damn + my cygwin dir is 300 mb now + that sucls + anyone know off hand who commited bounce.[ch]? + nm + http://www.spiegel.de/img/0%2c1020%2c190869%2c00.jpg +--> plmirc (plmirc@139.189.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +<-- plmirc has quit (Client Quit) +--> ivana-87- (~PanicShow@adsl-34-206-79.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #rockbox + | PS | -| PS | +<-- ivana-87- (~PanicShow@adsl-34-206-79.bct.bellsouth.net) has left #rockbox + was that random or just a bot? + :D +<-- green_ has quit ("Client Exiting") +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--> hyperpod (~hyperpod@216-99-206-2.cust.aracnet.com) has joined #rockbox +<-- hyperpod (~hyperpod@216-99-206-2.cust.aracnet.com) has left #rockbox +--- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno +<-- PsycoXul has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-104.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox + Yay, sokoban rules :D +--> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox + lo +* myshkin notes twin is cool :p + a good escape from lame X11 + is it good? :) + I never tried it, I've always sticked to screen + heh + it's funky + I like it... + I still use screen ;p + I'll try to compile it and test it out + heh + using debian? + if so, there is a decent package for it. + I compiled my own, out of sheer boredom +* myshkin quaffs a jolt cola + oh yeah, this is me, adam, or kitsune, or whatever + I've settled on this name, for now ;) + mkay + twsetroot == funny, I've got my ascii art motd as a 'background' + yay +--> adi|dads (adi_dads@pool-138-89-3-104.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- myshkin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + anyone around or everyone sleeping? +<-- adi|dads has quit (Client Quit) +--> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox +<-- myshkin has quit (Client Quit) +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + moo + YIKES! +* dwihno jumps high +* dwihno ends up sitting in a tree + :-) + Did you enjoy the weekend? + I certainly did + you? + Hmm. I spent the saturday working on a project, and yesterday I did my laundry and cleaned my appartment ;) + I guess there are funnier things to do, but at least, it's done. + "I brännvin ska du bada, i Bacchi lada" + the build is.... *red* + :O + OH MY GOOOOD! :( + Call in the TASK FORCE! +* Bagder dials 911 +* dwihno dials 1-800-BAGDER + :D +* dwihno dials 1-800-ZAGOR +* dwihno dials 1-800-LINUS + Hmm, "numret du ringer har flyttat, men saknar referens" :) +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + Good morning Linus, welcome back to the wonderful world of ROCKBOX! :D + Thank you! :-) + hey Linus + Linus: I don't really undertand the current compile-status link breakage, can you have a look at it? + hello there + morning elinenbe + It means that the pad section overlaps the rodata section + the pad section is located at an absolute address + but what is the pad section for? + remove it + would it be possible to get CVS access? + the pad section is for ....padding... + you know the minimum size thing + padding what? + aaah + the archos firmware doesn't load very small .mod files + 2:30 am -- US vs. Mexico! I am holding out here. + DERBY! + hey, what is up with fillrect() -- I tried to use this on the recorder, and it just gave me a blinking led light + Oh, we accidentally misspelled the lcd_blink() function. + Sorry, couldn't resist... :-) +* dwihno loves the sokoban gokomuku game! :D + elinenbe: mail your sf account user name to Björn to get cvs access + elinenbe: no text on screen? + Badger: will do. + Linus: what do you mean no text on screen? + I was just making that little sokoban game, and I attempted to use fill_rect() (something like that) and it never worked properly. + elinenbe: did you try to fill a big rectangle? + not at all.. + elinenbe: I mean "no error message?" + maybe 4x4 pixels + oh + oh. yeah there was NO error message + btw, I think I've broken lcd_invertrect() + whatever that function is supposed to be good for + that worked in my game. I used it for the winning screen + it gives a nice flash effect + well, were you using the cvs sources? + no -- yesterdays tarball + ok + I modified the behavior on saturday + Badger: what happened to Sweden in the Cup? + lost against Senegal + yesterday + yeah :( + Such a sad moment! + Bagder: only the recorder has reached the minimum size + oh + eh + Andersson did a really cool circus number trying to score + can we make it conditional somehow? + I don't think so, we may need two lds files + or can we have multiple -T options perhaps? + multiple? + I hate having two files almost identical + would be better if the pad thing could be included with a second -T optin + When I tried to compile more levels into the sokoban game, it gave me an error -- is there a maximum size for variables or something like that? + elinenbe: we're fixing that just noww + oh great. that is nice. + elinenbe: quick fix: cvs update firmware/app.lds + I made a separate lds file now + elinenbe: you did notice your added files make the build go yellow? ;-) + yeah -- there was a sprintf + or something like that. I will fix it. + have Björn add you to the dev team first, then you can do it yourself with cvs +--> green_ (~green@adsl-64-160-53-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox + hey green +* Bagder runs off to fill up more coffee + yeah I will do that. +--> l_9_l (~jarod@217.17.228.127) has joined #rockbox +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + hey ho Z + hey +--- Received a CTCP VERSION from l_9_l (to #rockbox) +<-- l_9_l (~jarod@217.17.228.127) has left #rockbox +* Bagder hms + he comes here CTCP-versioning us all and then leaves... + looking for vulns, no doubt + indeed + damn those h4x0rs + oooh, sokoban :) +* Zagor is reading his mail + Zagor: I'm WAAAAY ahead of you! :D + you absent person ;-) + yeah, i was /away this weekend + Zagor: you need to add elinenbe to the sf project so that he can fix the yellow build ;-) + righty, what's his sf username? + elinenbe: booo! here? + two klez mails for the list blocked already + yeah, but one true spam got through... :-/ + yup + cought in my filter though ;-) + caught + X-Spam-Because: subject matched regex "[A-Z0-9]+.*[A-Z]{3,}.*[A-Z]{5,}.*[A-Z]{3,}" + !! + the range {3,} means unlimited? + 3 to to unlimited, yes + mkay +* dwihno just learned something new +* dwihno fixes some code rightaway ;D + haha + :) + Zagor: we should evaluate SpamAssasin for filtering the list + have you looked at it? + no, but I've read a bunch of good things about it + seems to be about the same concept like my blockspam + but better implemented + ok + as long as it has 50+ command line options, it ruulez ;) + software with less = bad :) + curl --help | grep - -- | wc -l + 79 + :-) + :D + have any of you guys had a problem starting the archos firmware once you've ran rockbox? + nope + some people in the yahoo list indicates problems of that kind + I am hgere + I am here + I just watched USA beat Mexico 2-0!!!! + elinenbe: tell Zagor your sf account name + hey, elinenbe. what's your sf name? + I am most positive it is elinenbe + ok + I have had the restart problem in my recorder + it turns out that the extension of the firmware has a meaning + how did you solve it? + The only firmware file on my recorder was ajbrec.ejz + elinenbe: you're added + thanks. what is the meaning of the firmware extension? + i copied it to ajbrec_orig.ejz and copied the new ajbrec.ajz to the HD + worked OK + yes, that .ejz file is mysterious + then i wanted to go back to the original + so i removed the ajbrec.ajz and copied the ajbrec_orig.ejz to ajbrec.ejz + no go. it booted from the ROM + i renamed ajbrec.ejz to ajbrec.ajz. no go + i had to download a new ajbrec.ajz from archos web site + really strange + no, .ejz and .ajz are not the same kinds of files + they look very different + interesting + i didn't know that + i wonder what the difference is + do any of you have an .ejz file we can look at? + I do + maybe it is descrambled? + my thoughts too + but there's no strings at all visisble for example + Linus: what is the status of audio on the recorder? + but then why doesn't it work when you replace it? + they are also differently sized + -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 111130 Apr 8 23:48 AJBREC.ajz + -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 136938 Apr 8 23:48 ajbrec.ejz + it sure looks unscrambled + elinenbe: patience, Grasshopper... + No status at all ? :-) + at least the vector table appears intact +* dwihno is tiny grasshopper too + I have I2C contact with the chip. + Grasshopper? + nah, the vector table is not right + elinenbe: A line from a kung-fu TV series. I have forgotten its' name. + Zagor: did you notice the "ARCH" text in the beginning? + it's always grasshoppers in the kung-fu movies + yes + Zagor is grasshopper too + brb +<-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + need... more... coffee + Actually, the name of the TV series _is_ "Kung Fu". + The apprentice is called Caine, and his master is called Master Kan or something + A real classic +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +--- elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|sleepin + brb +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + Zagor + mm? + hi! =) + ah :) + Zagor: checked that FAT bug report yet? + nope, will do + just got a core when shuffling the playlist... + oh + deep in X + hua +--- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch + the ATA bug report is wrong + oh + we do use 'startsector', only not where he thought it would be + he had to make the change because he disabled caching + well, fine then ;-) + i built the compiling ewnvironment using cygwin + it worked fine + neato + no include warnings? + did you build with newlib or not? + well m y point was that cygwin just messed up and i deleted it + cause it sucks. + but it's acool idea. + now im going for vmware instead. + =) + heh + real linux :-P + its kinda cool that you can assign a iso image as the cdrom for the virtual machine + It Works Better (tm) + vmware in general impresses me a lot. + its cool enough + something else taht is cool is PalmVNC + with the scaling-enabled VNC server + you can even get the desktop scaled to fit on the pal m screen, heh + people come up with the neatest things + :-) + hmm, should FAT shortnames be all uppercase or all lowercase? + no idea + I like lowercase better of course + I just created "allfiles.m3u" and it became all uppercase and thus not recognized as a playlist :) + hehe + not case insensitive yet, huh? ;-) + btw, I think we should jump through some hoops to support winamp-generated playlists. i.e. handle backslash, no preceding slash and also disk names. + well + the paths will be wrong anyway, won't they? + why? + because winamp will use the full path to the tracks + and we won't use the same paths + or maybe we will + if we cut off the disk name + yeah, but the archos is a new disk (F: for example) so the path will be ok + exactly + good point + so yes, we should convert slashes and ignore disk names + I made it ignore #-lines the other day + good + for some reason, winamp creates one # line for every file when creating a new list. there's no info on the line, just the filename... + it supposedly can store time info etc there + song lengths + i'll make them lowercase + umm, or maybe not. lowercasing CP437 is not so fun... +--> calpefrosch|work (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has joined #rockbox +--- calpefrosch|work is now known as calpefrosch + hi + hi calpefrosch + heyyy, froggie! :) + the list of users has grown + since I went in holidays +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus + Bagder: what is the idea with this code: + if('/' == now_playing[1]) + return &now_playing[1]; + when will the second character be a slash? + to prevent two initial slashes +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + it usually is + usually? + if the file name was an absolute path + it loads the file name from position 1 + s/from/at + ah, yes. missed that. + we might not want that safety precautions + why not? + its just a matter of where to draw the line + adding a preceeding slash will hardly make us find the right file anyway + if the playlist uses relative paths + in my test case it would work, so I'd say it has a value + so leave it + I mean, leave it in there + yes + this should make most winamp playlists work + I just tried the PLAY key in the recorder. It doesn't work. Why? + because we now only check for the RIGHT key. it was part of the #ifdef cleanup. + yes, it's wrong :( + :) + uh, my recorder menu key stopped working??? + sim + bah, my silly X doesn't send the events! + heh +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") +--> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox +<-- Zagor has quit (Client Quit) +--> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + yoyo? + :-) + Zagor: it sucks to have a modem, right? :-) + yeah, trying to get a new kernel on this damn redhat box but the initrd junk barfs on me + is there a point to sokoban.c having #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP around the whole code? + i'm removing it + no point +* Zagor is listening to whole-disk random playback. And smiles. + I think g003y said he couldn't make playlist work this weekend + was that the play button not doing right? + yeah, some ppl on yahoo said that too. i think it was probably us being picky about playlist formwat + that's fixed now + so you tried making a playlist with winamp and play it yet? + yep, that's what I'm playing now + ok + coolio + wow, going towards a green build again + and having shuffle as an option makes a lot more sense, I think + yay + Zagor: it does + however, now you can't re-shuffle, can you? +--> alkorr (alkorr@srs08m-5-51.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox + hi ! + just start the list again + Zagor: so it re-seeds on playlist load? + hi alan + i'm learning now that we don' need newlib any longer to compile rockbox :) + Bagder: yes, using current_tick + ok + we should remake the makefiles to use the include files I added + Linus: can I get my player-new some day, for testing? + hmm, what happens if a playlist file isn't found? + it stops + it won't be loaded ;-P + in fact, we should have keep includes but just change add our own headers for non-simulator part + but never mind + :) + I'll rebuild my gcc without newlib + what ? "permission denied" ??? + ? + hehe, the scroll is quite slow while loading mp3 data :) + i cannot access cvs !? + Zagor: no way. I sold it. :-) + cvs -z9 update -P (in directory E:\rockbox\apps\) + Permission denied, please try again. + Permission denied, please try again. + Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). + strange + I haven't had any problems + i try again + caps lock? :-) + aahh good idea + nope, i'm really in trouble + hey, did you check the "bounce" screen? ;-) + "bounce" ? + I had a little time over this weekend... hehe + got to excercise the lcd api a bit + Linus: boohoo! how about some chicken lunch tomorrow? + damned gcc + i'm trying to login sourceforge.net to check + Zagor: great idea! 11:30? +<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox + /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s: Assembler messages: + /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:2: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. + /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:3: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. + /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:4: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. + fun huh? + :-/ + what are the lines ? + no idea, the file is generated and then removed when I wanna check it out + /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:47: Error: no such 386 instruction: `rotcl' + -save-temp + ahahaha + it seems to be a confusion to which cpu it is for + 386 !? + yeah + --target=sh-elf + ok i know + you are calling the bad 'as' + "the bad as" ? + it must be 'sh-elf-as' + yes it seems it calls not the right 'as' (assembler) + all I do is invoke configure + and then make + oh you mean it doesn't come from the rockbox source ? + this is gcc + 3.0.3 + I'm trying to build a cross compiler without newlib + when you compile gcc 3.0.3 ? huh... i don't remember to have the same error... +<-- jb1081 has quit (Remote closed the connection) + well i compile gcc 3.0.3 but i fail to compile newlib, even when i asked not to add it + compiled + but as it compiled gcc before + well i just make a 'make install' and it looks as if working + does anyone know any unfixed bugs right now? +* Bagder shakes his head + thinking og 1.1 release? + of + yes + normally i followed the instructions given by Linus + it's been over two weeks + yeah, its time + since 1.0 and over one week since we met the roadmap for 1.1 + and my only problem came from newlib compilation, not during gcc + I'll sort it out + when you compile, just try to configure without any SH binary paths added in PATH + no it is stupid for me + it is the contrary + you must add the as,ld, etc. for SH target in PATH when configuring and compiling gcc + did you make it ? + yes + strange... + yes but for as or sh-elf-as ? + sh-elf-as is the SH versin, as is the native version + because i put the path where to find sh-elf-as + I have them all + weird... + I have a theory I'm trying out now + zagor: password for cvs is the same for sourceforge.net login ??? + yes + OK + I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS + I MUST INVERT CASE + IT IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A new keyboard, very weird !!!! + Bagder: the ejz file, was it the one that came with your archos? + yes + aaahh i happen to get managed with downloading them. I was afraid. :/ + ok try them. CU ! +<-- alkorr has quit () + hm, right + --prefix has to match the binutils path when I build gcc + Zagor: you ready to cut off the newlib headers? + i haven't looked at it in a while. are we there? + yes + excellent. i am ready + but I thought I'd install a newlib-less gcc too + so that I can see for myself +* Bagder installs +--> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox + yes, good idea + since elinbe and g003y both installed without newlib + they got include errors when compiling +--> plmirc (plmirc@139.189.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #rockbox + hi + hey ho plmirc + want to test something on a archos 10G ? + nothing in particular right now, I think, get the latest binary and play around and see if it works! + ata -2 + with the last one + gosh! + the only one which work is the one that linus send me + hm + I thought we added Linus' check + me too + Zagor: any clues? + hmmm + odd + the check is added + where did linus go? + dunno + why isn't there a firmware for today about recorder version ? + *someone* broke it... + the last one is for yesterday + plmirc: if you check the build status at the bottom, you can see the red boxes... + look further down on the page and you see that the recorder build failed in the 23:40 build + Zagor: with our own "libc" headers in include/ we could move a few dir.h and file.h etc protos into the "regular" header files + yup + i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 linse + i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 line + yes but the daily build is made at 06:00 + 04:00 GMT actually + right + so we have wait to 2 hours before have the daily build for recorder + we have to wait 14 hours for the next build + daily means "once per day". and that once is 04:00 GMT + hmm ok + and if one crash.. there is anything for the day + but you can grab my latest at bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz + oki + we make more frequent development builds, but there is little point in publishing them + uff + sim build died + I can imagine + ata -2 + again ... :'( + plmirc: ok + ok, it seems to work now + no newlib headers + nice + and the replacement ones are really small + i'm removing newlib from the gcc instructions, then + yep + do you specify --without-newlib or nothing at all? + when compiling gcc + nothing at all + ok + updated + dang + red builds red builds + ctype + booo! + we need ctype for strcasecmp later anyway + yeah + this shuffle playback rocks! + zagor : you want a retest it now ? + zagor : you want I retest it now ? + plmirc: no, i haven't done any changes. I need to speak to Linus first, to see what he had in the build he gave to you + hm ok + obviously, his code was not the same as he checked into cvs + visually... + Zagor: the copying file should be in FILES too, right? + yes + all green again + goodie +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB7AE.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + hi + hi + ironi: what's your real name (for credits) + "Tome Cvitan" I guess + ok + he posted to the list once + ah + I'm listing three changes since 1.0: + scrolling, playlist, shuffle + have we done anything else? :-) + not that is visible in the players +<-- calpefrosch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + Zagor: Any enlightenment regarding the LCD flickering? + no +--> mecrawnicknack (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox + Really strange. + we'll be testing with some faster forms of scrolling later, that might solve it + we do *two* updates when we scroll one line + really? + that's bad + that's probably why + I'll make a breakpoint and check wherefrom + how do you get it to two? there's only one in scroll_thread() + well, lcd_update() gets called twice ;-) + :) + Bagder - master of debugging + We are all tiny grasshoppers in his presence + first: tree.c:155 and then at tree.c:366 + right + showdir() should probably not do lcd_update() + how sily + ll + :D + You guys are <----- this -----> great coders :) + Just idling in this channel, I learn lots of stuff ): + :) +* Bagder blushes + Zagor: you fix? + yup + fine +* dwihno learned more about regexp today :) + I think this is the flicker + regexes rock +* dwihno starts the drumroll - will the LCD get fix0red... + lol + try this build, guys: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz +* dwihno fetches + morning all. +--- elinenbe|sleepin is now known as elinebe|class + morning elinenbe + much better in the simulator at least + what have you guys been working on last night? + you sim guys, when will we get player icons in the simulators? :) + can you fix us a good closeup picture showing them? + IT'S FIXED! + DAMN! + nope :) +--> alkorr (alkorr@srs03v-3-246.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox + and an api that uses them + YOU RULES! :D + hmm the icons.. hm + *cool* + the button management is smoother too, I think... Am I right? + dwihno: so it looks fine now when scrolling? + zagor, is it you in charge of FAT ? + yes + Bagder: not a single flicker! :D + Bagder: it's ... perfect! :D + MY PRECIOUS! :D + dwihno: nice + there is two way to handle FAT + mirroring FAT or just select the active FAT + you use which one ? +* dwihno would like a sorting which places dirs first, and then the files ;) + did you guys ever figure out the .ejz thing? + elinebe|class: nope + that sorting by type could be easily done if you prefix string with one byte + we use qsort, we don't have to prefix, we have structs + its just that the sort function ignores type atm + you mean you use a comp function pointer given to qsort ? + yeps + and it compares names only + oh yeah + more dynamic + you could give to user the choice for kind of sorting :) + indeed + alkorr: actually, I use neither method. I use the first fat, always :) + i sense a bug here :) + okay, i suggest to use the active FAT on the first FAT + that way, Windows knows the other FAT are not mirrored + yes. still it shouldn't be much of a problem until we start writing on the disk + yes i know, it is only a suggestion if you don't like to be forced to mirror the fats + yes, i think it's a good suggestion + there is a way to be sure that Windows and jukebox are synched + to use the active fat + but to tell the truth, i seldom see one fat partition use this mode. + never i should say :) + this is a little black magic. the specs say one thing, but what does windows actually do? + i just know this option exists + the only difficult part is that : can windows change the active fat without our demand ? + huh, i mean : can Windows selects another active FAT without our demand + alkorr: Today is a good day - the LCD glitch is removed! :D + glitch ? + yeah + what does that mean ? + like visible vsync's on the recorder + a double lcd_update() + so the scrolling is now flawless (up&down) + dwihno: how does the side scroll look? + Lemme check + strange, i remember this word but i cannot find its meaning in my dictionnary :/ + ok, understood + Zagor: lookín' good! + it remembers me some old story when i had a 8086 ;) + Zagor: about the 1.1 release, you could point out how cool our playlist support is already ;-) + But the directory reading still appears a bit broken + dwihno: that's really strange. I can't repeat that no matter what I do + Hmm... Weird :/ + I'll let you have a look at my unit when I get to stockholm in july if the problem hasn't been solved by then ;) + Zagor: my suggestion is just that at booting, if jukebox sees the FAT partition is mirroring, it sets first FAT active. +* Bagder sense another devcon ;-) + play should also allow entering a directory/play a file + YAY! DEVCON! :D + Bagder: yeah, i'm raving a bit about that :) + alkorr: yes +* Bagder is going home, see ya +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + i'm thinking if we should wait for the recorder ata fix or release 1.1 without it + the scroll is so darn cool! + Kudos to the scrolly ppl! + Zagor: no problem, just a recall for future + dwihno: hehe, glad you like it + :D + I'm not mentioned in the credits :¨¨( +* dwihno plays some sokoban and gets happy again + dwihno: watch the jukebox power ;) + yay! :) + huh can you really watch the power bar ? + no +--> matsl (~matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + ok a future TODO... + ooh, matsl! + matsl = ? + a coworker of mine + secret undercover archos employee! + secret undercover archos employee! + secret undercover archos employee! + :) + cool co-workers only talk via irc :) + Hi there! Is there a todo-list for the player somewhere? + matsl: not really, we make it up as we go along :) + ok. Any suggestion for a small first hack? +--> alan (alkorr@srs03v-3-246.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox +<-- alkorr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + ??? + matsl: do you have an archos too? :) + jupp + matsl: your domain ? + Darn, 75% of contactor are cool ;D + I guess Zagor has promoted it widely ;) + dwihno: what's wrong with the others? ;) + Zagor: they are secret undercover dudes and girls! + Domain??? + i mean your skills + are you electroncians, programmer, etc. + Programmer + you bought a jukebox because of Vjörn ? :) + s/V/B + matsl: i can't think of any small isolated things. what we need right now (after 1.1 release) is improved UI. + OK + we need to get back to viewing the id3 tag while playing, simpler volume adjustment, next/prev track etc. + BTW, what is the status of Rockbox with Recorder ? oh yes cannot play with mpeg (missing MAS stuff) + Patience, grasshopper ;) + alan: yes. also it seems the rec6/10 ata problem is not completely solved yet. plmirc can't get his started. + we haven't been able to reach linus since lunch, so we don't know what he did. his build is the only one that works for plmirc... + just a question, the ATA addresses are all 3xx for Rec6/10 and 2xx for Rec20 ? + no, just the CONTROL and STATUS + okay, it is the problem + ?? + all the address must be 3xx or 2xx. There must be no mixing of 3xx and 2xx addresses + no, but that's ok. there is only 3 or 2. + OK. Bye folks. See you later. + the rest of the registers use 1 + bye mats + oh yes + ALTSTAT you mean + sorry :) + yes + yes you are totally right +<-- matsl has quit ("Liece") +<-- green_ has quit ("Client Exiting") + hey guys + hi + whats up? + preparing for 1.1 relase. fixed some playlist issues + if nibbles isn't implemented I'm not going to be happy + nibbles? + i'd rather see features than games.. + games == waste of time + listening to music while riding the T == good thing + the current player is definitely T material, with the playlist support + :D + yeah, especially the recorder build ;D + the recorder is getting games because we're all waiting for the MAS code to be ready + A little poll... What kind of ear/headphones do you guys have? + and, face it, the recorder is too fun to leave alone :) + Sony EX70 + i have those sony wrap arounds + big poll :) + :) + yeah + :) + I'm impressed, are you impressed? + I'm Mike Levy, for amazing discoveries! + *do the hand thing in the air* + those earphones look really weird Zagor + when rockbox has equilizer support (like the archos does, adjust bass, trebil, etc) then i'll be happy.. + they rule + miah: it already has + oh? its implemented now? + i havnt looked since 1.0 + it's in the menu + 1.0 had it. "sound" in the menu. + nice + ah, imust have missed it + Zagor: how expensive were the phones? + damn, boards of canada has a trippy site + very very hot, i swear ;//// + cu +<-- alan has quit () + dwihno: something like 500 SEK i think + Whoa + what makes them so special? + I'm quite satisfied with my sony blahblah-something for 350 SEK + the sound, simply... they have awesome sound + Well, you must let me test them on DEVCON, mkay? :) + yeah, so was I until I tried these + hehe, sure + what headfones are they + (product name..) + Sony EX70 +* dwihno has some sony stuff for biking and sennheiser HD 570 for "comfortable" listening + ah those.. for 40 Euros.. (or where thos diffrerent ones) + Zagor: how is the bass? +* dwihno listens much to evil dance beats + dwihno: the best. seriously. I keep it at ~10% setting on the recorder, and that's plenty + :) +* edx needs those headphones + Darn... My laptop purchase will leave me broke for a decade :) + hehe + But at least, I can play q3a :) + I was thinking about making a HD swap (laptop <--> archos) :) + hehe + heh + then I realized I need to get a bigger disk + 30 gig is not enough + i'd much rather have 30gigs in my laptop + yeah + I'll get a 40 gig disk for the archos + and keep all music in that + then I'll keep all code and stuff in the laptop + the only thing i hate about archos is FAT32 + and defraging over USB + seriously, fat32 isn't such a bad choice for this kind of device. + yea + i know, but fragmentation sucks ass + it's plain and simple, no fuss no special features + fragmentation, with 3+ meg files? + yep + most of my mp3's are 6-10megs + you must be doing a LOT of back-and-forth:ing... +* dwihno agrees to Zagor + not really, but i havnt defrag'd in over a year, and i can tell you, songs skip now + they do? + what model do you have? + 6000 + ah, mkay + weird + but after i defrag, its all happy + What amount of buffer is it in the 6000? + 2meg i think + yep, same as the others + defrag:ing once a year is something you do when you're at your friend's place (Zagor, hehe) with an USB2 interface ;) + i encode all my mp3's with vbr, and alot of the songs i listen to are really long (lots of autechre, squarepusher, boards of canada, and other strangeness) + so they're long + and big files.. the songs i have that are 128k and small (punk stuff) playback pretty well, i dont have many problems with them + miah: you could try running an analysis on it and see. i still thing it sounds odd to get fragmentation problems on this big files + yea + i make sure to run scandisk/norton disk doctor on it every now and then + i never do that :) + Zagor: Are those yours: MDR-EX70LP + yup + cool %0$ + 50 + .. hmm gotta have them.. i use the standrd archos headphones right now.. + they remind me of earplugs :) + ouch + you need to replace those headphones! + with the volume control they really suck LOL + i know + My boss got my archos headphones ): + :) + He said "the sound quality is good" + Then I just smiled + guess i'll change the style of music i listen to if i change my headphones haha + gotta go. see you tomorrow, guys! +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") + I should go too + But I need to fix some code first + Otherwise I'll have to spend time tomorrow to get in synch with the coding +--- jedix is now known as jedi|lunch + dwihno: the bass gets down to 6 HZ with those head phones :) + whoaaaaaa :D~~ +* dwihno is looking forward to DEVCON, so I can test Zagor's headgear + they really must rock + i'll order them today i guess hehe + you rich pants dude! :) + How long is the delivery? + I'd like to hear your opinion about the headphones too :) + i dont knwo .. a few days (delviery) + I want my laptop! :( + They haven't even confirmed the order yet :( + heh i want to buy head phones for at least half a year now.. + your laptop rocks ;) + hehe + It sure will rock - for at least three years + hehe + Stupid of me to think so, huh ;) ? + nah.. i guess it will last at least two years in a really acceptable speed and it'll certainly still be "enough" after 4 years.. :) + yeah :) + Then I'll sell my soul once again and get a new one ;) + hehe +* dwihno looks in the crystal ball... I see... A P6 6,2GHz, 2 gigs of RAM and 2tb disk :) + 4 gigs ram.. my guess :) + hehe ;) + 40 gig of RAM in the box, 40 gigs of RAM, if one would fail or starting to bail, then there'll be 39 gigs of RAM in the box + ;) + hhe + NICK edxUSER OKE60 "" "irc.dal.net" :edx + lol + geht schon so ein bisschen LOL + Was machst du? + wtf.. + wrong channel window + i am sorry + im currently writing a proxy program and im debugging :) + ah + Aber was machst du? +<-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + Hast du der Ober heute gesehen? +--> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + lol.. + moo + "der Ober" whats that supposed to mean + hi bagder + howdy ho, mr bagder + mr. bagdad :) + Ober.. there is a word.. lkike "waiter + " + ? + yup :) + then it is: + "Hast du den Ober heute gesehen" + hehe +<-- mecrawnicknack has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") + Me + grammars = BAAAD combination + One house, two house :) + heh + one sheep two sheep.. that works out ;) + :) + two sheeps! :;) + two sheep. + too cheap + haha + (anyone *really* English here?) + btw.. just found the Sony headphonse for 38Euros.. + been a while since wavey was around + about to buy them :)( +* Bagder2 's mp3sync-script rocks + keeps my archos synced with my local mp3 collection + hehe + how does it work? + edx: cool! buy me some and I'll wear a "Felix kick arse" sweater all summer, deal? :) + it checks if all my local mp3s are on the archos, and if I removed any local ones I should remove on the archos too + hehehe.. + Bagder2: so the local copy is a master? + yes + exactly + I'm --> <-- this close to finish off for the night +--> mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox +--- jedi|lunch is now known as jedix +* edx has just ordered his Sony MDR-EX70LP :) + :D + Now you're a copy of Zagor! + * edx is now known as Zagor-edx + LOL + Darn + I want one of those too + When I get rich +--- edx is now known as edx|Zagor + WHOA! + you get a laptop for 2500 Bucks... be quiet :) +--- edx|Zagor is now known as edx + Welcome to the twilight zone! + lol + Welcome, to the edx zone! For the next 20 seconds, he will control everything you see and hear ;) + *beeb* +* Bagder2 felt controlled +* edx controlled bagder... and dwihno + Where am I? Who are you? + And why am I wearing pantyhoses? :) + hehe + hi there + hellojs ironi + dokthar irouni + dwihno: one of those situations again, huh? + <-- masters the persian language + tavalod moborak! + but + t they'r ejust $49.95 + not very expensive + i still think my headphones rulle the planet when it comes to price/performance/cool design + Koss PortaPro + My Sennheiser HD570 pumps the jam quite nicely too ;D + but they are not really portable + and sennheiser cant deliver base + these babies can :) + btw, if you want earplugs, you should consider the koss ksc-35 + they're cheap but supposedly MEAN + uhm i mean like not earplugs but on the ear phones without bygel =) + dwihno: let me win you over: http://www.ljudman.se/portapro.htm + or perhaps http://www.ljudman.se/ksc35.htm + now i gotta rest, im kinda sick +* ironi is gone, *sick* [l/on p/on] +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has left #rockbox +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinebe|class has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") +--- edx is now known as edx|eatz +--- dwihno is now known as dw|gone0r +--- Bagder2 is now known as Bagder +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox +--- edx|eatz is now known as edx +<-- mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has left #rockbox +--> dfg (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox +--> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox + sup alll? +<-- jedix has quit ("and then, just like that, he dissapeared") + dang my playlists never play. They load, but never really play. +<-- edx has quit ("good night") +<-- ironi has quit ("zzz ") +<-- dfg has quit ("Client Exiting") + anyone awakre? + awake that is +<-- g003y has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") +--> motiv01 (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP291.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox + hello there + no, hello here +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +<-- motiv01 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + hello all + acck.... + what did they do to the current tree? +--> motiv01_ (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP243.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- g003y has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") +--- dw|gone0r is now known as dwihn0r +* adi|home screams softly into the night +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox +* dwihn0r sings the rockbox anthem +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + Hellojs Bagder + morning +--- dwihn0r is now known as dwihno + bad apache +* Bagder rebuilds +* Bagder installs +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + morning Linus + morning + Did you find out anything about the .ejz files yesterday? + no + but we fixed the flicker + oh. too many redraws? + yeps + one extra + looks a lot better now + great + :D + Looks awesome! + How is sokoban? + Kickass! :) + R00lz! + The key code needs an overhaul though + http://robotron.ton.tut.fi/love_on_video/koto_-_jabdah_(formel_eins).mpg + the key code? You mean the bouncing? + bouncing? + or what did you mean? + anyone played with the rockbox on the recorder yet? + <-- did + hmm +* Bagder did too + on the recorder, the button processing code is fishy, sometimes when I press once, it does the button action twice etc. + did you find that the reboots seem to happen even with the dc in? + dwihno: that's contact bouncing + reboots? + I got no reboots + the battery issue + when i have the dc in, i still seem to get reboots + that sucks + adi|home: that _could_ be a grounding problem + hmmm.. ok + ideas on a solution? + hmph... all these recorder types. + :) + g003y: I take it you're a Player owner... :-) + yeah + me too. I have both :-) + though wish I had that nice bitmap screen :D + g003y: you cvsup'ed recently? + a few hours ago + but my build is all jacked now + oh + g003y: See it from the bright side, you can at least play music on your box. + I had a go a the include issue yday + haheheehhe... just wish I could get the playlist to actually work + I noticed that + we should dig into that problem of yours + Björn played an all-disk playlist yesterday on his player fine + I see the includes but now time.h begs for machine/somthing.h + uh + bagder - I think I'm still doing something wrong with the playlists + how did you make your playlist? + tried a number of ways so far. + 1) Vi + 2) Winamp + 3) Sonqiue + 4) a script on the file system + because staring only yesterday we support windows drive names and backslashes + i also believe that the file names are case sensitive + well I tried the 17th compile from work today, but no luck + ok + that was with a drag n drop from the drive to winamp + I know PsycoXul was having probs before, but he hasn't been back to confirm if it started working for him. + well, I guess Zagor must show you a version working for him and then you can try that + I have no player, I can't play at all ;-) + Linus: contact bouncing? + yeah a working example would be nice. + dwihno: yes, when one keypress kind of "jumps" on the contact so that it gets registered as two or more + thats been resolved? + Bagder: I never have that problem with the archos firmware :) + dwihno: no, because they "debounce" + did i miss any of the core apis getting changed? + archos has all the docs the bastards :D + namely, the rectangle functions? + cheaters ;-) + adi|home: they changed? + i don't know + hm + suddenly boxes isn't working + I might be responsible + what was 'screensaver' + it works.. but not properly + what didyou change? +* dwihno will write a polite e-mail to the archos dudes asking for docs and how they do the battery stuff + did it use the XOR feature? + nope + ok, then I don't think its me ;-) + so what doesn't work? + im trying to figure out what went wrong + but the'shrinking' boxes aren't displaying + it works in my simulator right now + really? + yeps + the boxes grow and shrink? + yeps + when did you last do a cvs update? + just now + ill update again + i noticed it because the firmware on the website doesn't do it properly + the daily one? + yup + btw.. how do i remove a file from cvs? + odd + screensaver.[ch] don't need to be there anymore + rm file; cvs rm file + cvs ci file + ahhh... current compiles for me again after a cvs update + goodie + god i love the world cup +* adi|home smiles happily + oh crap.... I think I spoke too soon on current. crap :/ +--> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + hey there + g003y: what fails then? + hey Zagor, g003y has problems with playlists + well I do a clean get. +* dwihno has no problems with rockbox + and it says it can't find machine/types.h + other than the fishy filename thing + I used to do the -I/usr/include hack on the makefile + uh, remove that machine/types thing + but now you have all the includy stuff going on + I'll do it now + it's in time.h + which was added recently + I know, gone now ;-) + cool + why did you add it ? + can recorder tell time? + :D + yes it can + we use that include file, that's why I added it + but the player can't right? + but we haven't implemented it yet + right + damn.... another reason to buy the recorder +* adi|home screams + I made a find and grepped out all libc headers we used and made sure I provided all them + bagder +* Bagder looks at adi|home + there is NO way you have a upto date cvs + boxes isn't working proper + im tellign you + hahahahahahahahaha +* adi|home is _not_ insane + I can't but to cvs up +--> coutta (coutta@adlax6-249.dialup.optusnet.com.au) has joined #rockbox + zagor: can you provide me with a smallish example working m3u you've been using? + adi|home: boxes work for me in sim at least + I would like to verify if I'm an idiot + Zagor.. you have a recorder? + yes + test the latest daily build + check the boxes + g003y: F:\Film/Soundtrack - Cast Away (End Credits) - Silvestri.mp3 + Always (Song Duet).mp3 + Reunion.mp3 + it _doesnt'_ work + oops, stripped leding slashes :) + adi|home: ok, will test + thank you :) + g003y: what is the problem you get? +* adi|home places the pistol to his tempel + go ahead.. tell me im crazy... + i dare you + well playlist appears to load, but then just sits at the +* adi|home whinces.... blinks.. turns the gun around + barrel end has the bullets + adi|home: i fixed dynamic IRC page yesterday, so you only have to add the log file now, not update the page +* adi|home make a mental note + sweet + i have to update the log from this weekend + the playlist playing doesn't update the screen to anything, does it? + g003y: and you name your file whatever.m3u ? + blah.m3u + Bagder: no it doesn't + g003y: it saying indicates that it doesn't think it is a playlist + hmmm + ok + well I must've f'd up somehow then + g003y: is it lowercase? + the whole filename? + Zagor: I forgot your NewPlayer this morning + the extension + zagor: the whole filename is lowercase + Linus: bah! no chicken for you!!! :) + g003y: strange + Zagor: Pleeeeze. Have some chicken with me....! + zagor: I know... thats why I think it's user error still